Is the PB2+ fast enough to keep up with techno and rap music?

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  1. Patrick Ja

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    I currently have a HSU VTF-2 and I have decided to up grade. My choices are the Martin and Logan Descent, James loud speaker EMB-1000/1500 or the SVS PB2+. My room is about 2400 cubic ft. Now I know all of these subs will kick ass in the home theater area but I still listen to a lot of rap and techno. Now two of the selling points of the descent is it's transparency and quickness. Can the PB2+ match the descent in these areas? If so it could save me close to $1500.00. Bonus question, I used to have a paradigm PS-1000 which was boomy, but I really liked it for techno and rap. I read on a post that one could get an eq and over emphasis the frequencys in the 30hz/40hz area to simulate that type of sound. Is that true? Cause if so great. Thank you all for your input. You're guys advice have practically built my home theater. [​IMG]
     
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    The term "quickness" or "fast bass" is really a misnomer in subwoofer parlance. If the woofer can play the frequency in question, then it's "fast enough" by definition. Woofer speed is really a bandwidth limitation more than anything else.

    Group delay of the PB2+ in the frequency region you are discussing (30-40 Hz) is probably in the low single millisecond range and will not be audible.

    Check over at AVS for the impressions of a PB2+ owner who has owned dual HSU TN1220 and also demo'd the ML Descent, among others. PM the AVS thread poster if you want more info.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=316848
     
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    Yes, yes, yes, absolutely yes. It will shake your room, house and who knows what else. [​IMG]

    But I wonder if the sub is capable of more dBs in the "upper" frequency ranges, 40Hz or so... A nice high pass filter, amp to eleven... PARTEEEEE. [​IMG]
     
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    Can someone explain why rap/techno beats are considered "bad" bass?

    Thx.
    --Nhan
     
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    You have to take that comment in the context of where it's posted; this forum. MOST folks here are audiophiles or wanna-be-but-don't-have-the-money.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation, MichaelDDD.
     
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    So, that means the demands for a good subwoofer suitable for those kinds of music is not as high as say, jazz?

    Which are recommended subwoofers then, based on experience, for that kind of music?
     
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    in my expirience, and IMO rap and techno do not demand a
    "musical" sub as much as other types of music. i'm sure someone else could go into more detail on this.
     
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    Patrick, if the Descent is in your price range, what about the B4+ from SVS?
     
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    I saw somebody say once that synthetizers produce the lowest bass notes...and electronic music is purely synths...

    does that mean something?
     
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    You said it better than I did, Robb Roy. That's one of the things I was trying to stammer out...didn't happen. :b
     
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    The point was you don't need to spend thousands if that's the kinda bass you after.Any "one note" sub will do![​IMG]
     
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    I would like an explination of a "fast" sound

    Shouldnt the thread say:

    Does the PB2+ have a good enough structure and motor mechanism to keep up with techno and rap music?

    I would hope subs would want to go slower, i.e. a LOWER frequency? maybe im taking this way too literaly but
    I would say a 15" @ 40 Hz is moving faster than a 15" @ 20Hz. Or am I mistaken, does the cone travel increase with lower frequencies? And if that is true then does the travel directly relate to the frequency at which the driver is moving at?
     
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