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Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Gary OS, Jan 12, 2012.
mackenzie's raiders, that is.
And I have every right to say that a show is crap (in my humble opinion, of course); that's all that I said about it, too. I happen to think that The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis is that alone just for what's mentioned in the last season. If you're going to do a TV show, you have no right whatsoever to put out any less than your best for all seasons of a show; if you are putting out crap, then you should wind it down and end said show.
As for my comments about Amos & Andy, I'm afraid that American society is leaving that show behind, proving what I said about it to be more than true.
Yes, you certainly do. There are a ton of shows on TV right now that qualify as no better than what comes out when my septic tank gets pumped. On the other hand, I don't go to threads about said shows and start calling them garbage; you do.
In a perfect world, yes, you would put out your "best" for everyone. Sadly, that doesn't happen. Things get stale as time goes on. The Beverly Hillbillies for instance. It became obvious in the last season that they were sort of phoning in their parts in a lot of cases. Is that Paul Henning's fault? The show got stale. Just as with Dobie Gillis, they tried new things to see if it would make the show more interesting. I don't think that's the producers giving it less than their best.
In regards to Amos and Andy, I'm not going to keep circling the same tree on this. I think the marketplace should be the determining factor in what becomes of the show. I honestly can't say I've even watched that much of it. When VCR's became the rage in the 80's along with rental movies, my father went and rented an episode or two. From my memories, it was no worse of an insult to black people than what Good Times or Sanford and Son were.
Again, the moderators have asked us not to get into political or religious discussions and I have no problem with that. If I want a political or religious argument, I can find plenty of forums online in which I could do so if I were so inclined. I come here to discuss classic television and DVD releases. Here's hoping you have a great day!!!
Maybe you would know this but why are these two Ziv programmes with Timeless?Didn't TGG sublisence these from MGM?
It's not that only one company can license out ZIV products. Timeless and TGG both have deals for different ZIV programs.
Gary "I'm still expecting more from Timeless, but I'm not so sure what TGG may offer down the road" O.
If nothing else hopefully we will see Bat Masterson Season 3 from TGG. Also hope to see Tombstone Territory Season 2 and 3 from Timeless
I would dearly love to see CITY DETECTIVE starring Rod Cameron in a complete series collection from TMG/Shout! if Uni is able to find all prints of 64 episodes in their vaults. It would complete the Rod Cameron Revue trifecta of three series also including STATE TROOPER and CORONADO 9, otherwise I have the 11-episode compilation from The Nostalgia Merchant.
The only reason that Amos & Andy is not seen and accepted as the classic that is is due to the show being held hostage by its distributor, CBS, for the last 47 years. While the show can be found if one looks for it, CBS refuses to make it legitimately available. Oh, and by the way, there is a small digital sub-channel which has been airing the show for the past six months and they have not gotten one complaint about it, only praise from their viewers. And it airs 7 nights a week in prime time.
I have an acquaintance who works at CBS and has access to thier vault, and he mentioned to me that CBS has all of the original elements of Amos and Andy. 35MM prints , negatives , promo material etc. They haven't done anything with this material for fear of being labeled insensitive. However a few years back they were putting some thought into releaseing Amos And Andy on VHS through the CBS Video Library by mail order subscription. Someone at CBS realized that a lot of people were making money off of the show while CBS sat on the sidelines.
Regarding the issue of racism, I have several African -American friends who are in thier 60's and enjoy the show and wish it would come out on home video. Personally, as an Italian - American I don't think the show is any more prejudiced than Mr . Bacciagalupe from the Abbott And Costello Show, or Chico Marx, or any other stereotypical Italians on TV back then, but then again I'm not Black so my opinion may not be as valid as one coming from a Black person.
i dont have any knowledge of amos and andy. did it degrade black people ?
I guess whether or not this was degrading to blacks is in the eye of the beholder. This show has been controversial since the 1960's - there was even a PBS TV special "Amos And Andy - Anatomy Of A Controversy" If you go back and read some of the posts you'll get many opinions. The sad part about all this is that the great comedic acting of Tim Moore , Spencer Williams , Alvin Childress , Ernestine Wade, etc are long forgotten since very few people get to see the show. I say "very few" because 74 out of 78 episodes are "out there' , being sold in the "gray market" (bootlegs). Maybe CBS should consider putting this show out on DVD with a large portion of the proceeds going to the families of those talented comedians .
I don't think it did any more than "Sanford and Son" did. Amos was always depicted as a fine, upstanding man. There were many black doctors, judges, police, and other professionals portrayed in it. Andy was dumb and gullible, but so were Beaver Cleaver, Ralph Kramden and many other white characters. Kingfish was a crook and a liar, but he was the source of the comedy.
"Amos 'n' Andy" would only seem racist to people who insist that any black character must be portrayed as a perfect person.
It's so strange to pretend this show is hidden away somewhere. It looks like almost every available episode can be seen on YouTube.
The radio version was probably the most successful radio show of all time. It ran for over thirty years in one format or another. It was a thirty-minute sitcom for twelve years (1943-55). There are over one hundred of those episodes on archive.org.
Wanted to share this with my fellow classic TV fans. Does this list of the 1950s "essentials" match yours? Probably not, but then that's part of the fun.
Yes, I think the show did degrade black people with some stereotypes. Of course, everyone also kind of glosses over the fact that The Jeffersons degraded white people. There were three regular characters who were white and two of them are depicted as buffoons (Willis and Bentley) and the third (Ralph) is seen as a greedy little weasel. I'll state the obvious. It's not proper to degrade any group on TV or otherwise
The Jeffersons did not degrade white people any more than The Honeymooners, Laurel and Hardy or The Three Stooges did. Those characters were indeed comic buffoons, as was Mother Jefferson and George Jefferson himself. Louise and Mrs. Willis were the "straight" characters that the buffoons could play off of, just as Alice and Trixie were in The Honeymooners. And I'll grant you that Lionel and the daughter were played straight as well. However, everyone else, black and white, were comic stereotypes. It's all situation comedy 101 and race had nothing to do with it. Ditto Amos and Andy, which was set in a totally black world with buffoons and straight characters alike all played by African Americans.
George was the black version of Archie Bunker. I was never offended at George putting down white people; it was all in fun and it was meant to be that way.
I think the TV version of A&A is cursed by the fact that its origins are in a radio show created by two white men (in virtual blackface). No matter how funny it might have been, it's problematic to modern audiences (and wasn't completely without controversy in its day). If the television version didn't have those roots, it would probably be more accepted now, like other ethnic fifties comedies (see: The Goldbergs).
I'll just say this and not go into detail so as not to break forum rules. IMO racism (overt and subtle) has run BOTH ways on TV since it's inception. The targets have just changed and alternated throughout the years.
And in literal blackface, when they tried spinning a movie off from the 30's series. Which, FTR, the two hated, since it distracted from the characters, a different blackfaced white actor had to play Kingfish, and the script was written by a completely different studio house-musical writer who went for mainstream gags and didn't quite understand the dialogue rhythm of the show....And yet which still was used as "proof" that the makers of the show were outdated stereotyped and racist, etc.
As for Jeffersons and Sanford & Son, I agree they're more racist by today's standards (think I said that in a Netflix review, and someone's stealing it )--Coming from the days when 70's TV would bend over backwards to make series "for" blacks, making sure we still got the mouthy./jive urbanites and symbolically dorky white people to go with the "positive" empowered images.
I don't really take issue with shows like Sanford and Son or Good Times because they had no regular white characters on them and race was dealt with pretty evenly across the board. The Jeffersons was different for the reasons I already stated. There were 3 regular white characters. ALL 3 were portrayed in a negative light. Someone made the point that George and his mother were also negative characters, but I argue that there were enough other positive depicitions of black folks on the show to balance that out, whereas there were no positive white characters.
Also note that this subtle stereotyping also occurs in the iconic Cosby Show IMO. The only pseudo reoccurring white characters on the show were Rudi's young friend Peter and his father. Both were portrayed as idiots. Peter was an awkward, overweight kid with no personality who didn't even speak. I usually respect Cosby for his well handled vocal comments on race, but in this instance, I think he got it wrong