Is the b&w era of TV on DVD slowly coming to an end?

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Gary OS, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Flashgear

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    For me, anything ZIV is very welcome...ZIV was a high value, fearless and pioneering Television production company that provided a wealth of syndicated shows for early TV...the location work alone was stunning, even if the show's were often typically formulaic...just check out Highway Patrol, Harbor Command, West Point, Science Fiction Theatre, Sea Hunt, Rip Cord, Tombstone Territory, Mackenzie's Raiders, etc...good and sometimes great action shows, with a lot of famous stars to be...Frederick Ziv deserves to be mentioned among the greatest television pioneers...I only have seen about 20 of the episodes of Lock Up, and they are representative of the ZIV quality...Macdonald Carey is of course, a solid lead character...I hope ClassicFlix has success with these TV series...and thus hope for more...
     
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    I have all of the shows you mentioned , and I'll continue to buy ZIV offerings as long as they are being released . So many good programs yet to be released: Rough Riders , World Of Giants , Everglades , Harbor Master , Men Into Space , Men Of Annapolis, The Aquanauts , and more .So I too am hoping that Lock Up and It's About Time sell, encouraging Classic Flix to release other vintage TV shows .
    It would be nice to see complete seasons of some of the Roland Reed shows like Beulah, Trouble With father , and My Little Margie .
     
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    Men Into Space showing on Comet, it is quite good. Have seen 2 episodes of WOG, and easy to see how Irwin Allen pilfered the inspiration for Land of the Giants. Men of Annapolis is incredibly rare, have only seen one episode and have been searching for it forever.
     
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    The BOSTON BLACKIE series is one I'd love to see released. Fabulous location work in almost every episode with action sequences filmed at Angel's Flight, on lift bridges and Pacific Ocean Park just to name a few. And, as you mentioned, very formulaic but also containing some noir-like atmosphere.
     
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    The Roland Reed shows are either PD or Orphan shows, which basically means like with MLM, he renewed the copyrights when they came due but he's been dead for decades and left no heirs to his estate. MLM has long been treated as PD and the last legitimate syndicator was Weiss Global, which ceased operations when Adrian Weiss died in the 80s. I seriously doubt that anyone could even cobble together a full set of 16mm prints of any of these shows, let alone 35's.
     
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    Interesting . You have to wonder what happened to the negatives , 35 MM , promo material etc. for these 6 or 7 shows , when Reed died .Could it be that they were considered of no value and discarded ?
     
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    Stuff like that happens all the time. Often the "masters" of early TV programs were discarded shortly after initial airings as few people saw their future worth. I've read in several sources (wish I could remember just where though) that this is what happened with many early productions. They were disposable entertainment and once aired, they disposed of them. Even if a major participant had the foresight to hang onto a copy for posterity, family members don't necessarily share that vision and enthusiasm and get rid of the materials.

    For example: I'm no producer of entertainment but do have several collections, some of which have value in the collector's market, that I absolutely know my wife would simply dump in the trash should I beat her to the grave. She's said this on several occasions, in spite of me having a list to make things easier. She doesn't want to bother with proper disposal. Fortunately my kids and grandkids know of these and would intervene but they'd have to hurry to beat her to it. I'd imagine there are lots of families with identical issues and that's what happens to lots of "missing" material.
     
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    I'm not married and have no children, but I feel your pain. My family members have complete contempt for my video and DVD collection. They are mean.

    --Jthree
     
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    Oh, yes, never underestimate what Treasures will be thrown out to the dump, even by loved ones of the Dearly Departed...and not always in some malice, but just ignorance...

    I have helped Curators and Preservation Archivists from a local Museum to recover such Treasures from a landfill...it boggles the mind, and sometimes breaks your heart...

    What filled me with Rage? A family throwing out a recently deceased WW2 Veteran's Prisoner of War Diary and photos...including his Luftwaffe "Kriegsgefangener" files...this man was among the last survivors of the disastrous and bloody Raid on Dieppe France in 1942...a day on which Canada lost nearly a thousand men killed and nearly three thousand taken prisoner...my own Uncle among them...I can't tell you what I wanted to do with the Twenty Somethings of his descendants who so carelessly threw this out while obcessively checking their smart phones...

    It's no wonder that our precious collections might be viewed by ignorant others as though they were Ancient Sumerian or Egyptian tablets...undecipherable and of no value...
     
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    ^I feel your pain. From my observations, "today's generations" have little respect for the past. Most aren't aware of how significant the events, and resolution, of WWII were to the world as a whole. They view it as "another old war" and go on about their business. But I can't say that my generation (60s kids) were much better. We had our own war that was incredibly divisive and somewhat blinded us to the past. It was only after I hit my 30s that I began to understand the significance of WWII and how close we came to a different world perspective.
     
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    (Going very very far offtopic).

    Without going heavily into "politics", something similar with "no respect for the past" is going on with my younger relatives whom were born in Israel. Apparently some of my younger nephews + nieces have ended up moving permanently to Berlin, Germany for various "economic" type reasons. They have no notion of the sacrifices and hardships endured by older relatives.

    On the other hand, the older generations of my extended family would have never contemplated ever moving back to Germany under any circumstances, in spite of being fluent German speakers and still having then-valid (West) German passports. (Apparently speaking German is very unpopular in Israel).
     
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    BobO'Link what you say is true , but at least two of the Roland Reed Shows were shown into the 1990's meaning they were dumped more recently . After Weiss Global ceased to exist My Little Margie was still showing daily on Christian Broadcasting Net. It's possible that Weiss Global assets (including the Roland Reed Shows ) are sitting somewhere , and I guess it's also possible they could have been trashed at that time . Interestingly enough I heard recently that the entire run of Beulah programs were found recently . If you look around , you can find every episode of Rocky Jones Space Ranger , so at least 16 MM exists for that show , and a collector mentioned on another site that most episodes of Waterfront ran on Channel 50 in Aurora , Texas about 20 years ago.
    One thing seems certain , whether or not this material survives, we most likely won't see it's release on home video.
     
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    You'd like to think something that aired that recently (but it seems odd to say that since the 90s were almost 20+ years ago) would still be in a vault somewhere. I'm of a general opinion that almost everything that ever aired is sitting somewhere in some format. It's just a matter of finding where. I'd expect most of the more obscure stuff is held by private collectors who may not know there's a demand for their holding(s). Material that has had more recent airings may be just collecting dust as the rights owners don't feel the demand is high enough to make a profit on a physical release. Then too, it could be the current rights holders have placed far too high a value on their holdings. People who are looking for that big payday that likely won't come.
     
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    The Studios wonder why people (Including Me) turn to "Other Sources" to see what they want. :(
     
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    At least you can find what you want from "other sources." Without opening up a can of worms here, my grail can't seemingly be obtained from legitimate "other sources." I see a few 16mm prints of The Beverly Hillbillies crop up now and again, but a lot of times they're shows I already have on VHS. I did stumble across one episode on 16mm for sale online; the guy was very helpful and said he would make sure he still had it and that it hadn't suffered from vinegar syndrome. I haven't heard back from him. It's looking like I'll have to settle for what I have on VHS and suffer through bad SD copies of edited shows on YouTube.
     
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    Hopefully this won't get me suspended from the Forum , but...

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    No, it won't get you suspended this time, Lou...but, fellas, let's not repeat this behavior. It should be well-known to our longtime members that we do NOT allow the encouragement of piracy on the HTF.

    We have noticed this infraction being repeated more and more often here in the TV subforum.

    The topic of this thread is NOT about copyright theft.

    Thanks. (Mike Frezon)
     
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    A really nice B&W surprise mentioned on TSOD today: the Beverly Garland show "Decoy" is being released late this month. I've seen some of the PD releases and have enjoyed the show, so this will be a fun treat to have the entire series.
     
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    I know where a full set of complete MLM is on tape uncut as well as I Married Joan. However, the person who bought the collection from Adrian Weiss's daughter passed away himself last year. I don't know what his window plans to do with the material. Waterfront, Craig Kennedy and any other Weiss Global shows were not among what he acquired so your guess is as good as mine as to where they wound up. The only other series he got was Make Room For Daddy.
     
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    Some of the Weiss Brothers' stuff I really wish would turn up would be their various silent b-western series, featuring Wally Wales, Buddy Roosevelt and Buffalo Bill Jr. Always seemed like a lost cause, but who would have expected one of their long-believed lost serials,"The Mysterious Airman" (1928), to be found (in a marvelous print) and released on DVD this very month?
     
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