Is the b&w era of TV on DVD slowly coming to an end?

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Gary OS, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. Gary OS

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    Thanks for the well wishes, Steve. It's appreciated. All the points you brought up I see the same way. Being the bearer of bad news isn't something I relish. But facts are facts and right now the situation with Bonanza is one of those unpleasant realities. We'll have to see if things change up down the line. All we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

    I hadn't really thought of it in those terms, but I think you are probably right. We should be thankful that Rawhide will be finished. Other than the 2 "hiccup" seasons that were not remastered, I have to be happy because this was a big grail show for me. One would think if any CBS western was going to make it it would be Gunsmoke. But who knows at this point. The potential market for a show like this dwindles day after day. I just don't know what the future holds for this series although at present I am a bit concerned. Time will tell.


    Gary "no doubt the b/w releases have been very lean over the last 6 months" O.
     
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    My pastor loves Gunsmoke, Gary! He's managed a time or two to bring Matt into the sermon. :D

    I used to argue that I liked the color seasons the best. Last summer I had the chance to really start watching the b&w episodes on Encore and I believe I might like those better. I'm still partial to Festus, though. :rolleyes:
     
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    Cursed be the day that Shout! bought out TMG. :angry:
     
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    You're so right!
     
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    Many on this thread predicted that Shout! would be the end of B&W releases by Timeless. I was hopefull considering that they had several ZIV releases in the pipeline. But you can see now that there won't be many B&W releases in the future on Timeless. A shame . The situation is made worse by the fact that companies like Inception, MPI, Schanachie , TGG Direct don't have much to offer either.
     
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    It figures that as soon I start buying BONANZA, this word comes in. Then again, as I posted elsewhere, I'm sure the reason I was able to get the first five seasons so cheaply is because it wasn't selling. There's a Catch-22 for you. I can say now I'll be happy with seven seasons, but once I finish watching the last released season perhaps that perspective will skew differently. Based on viewings about ten years ago I always thought the series went downhill after Adam left because it subtracted story potential and diminished the original dynamic. But I've watched some of the later seasons on Encore and Ioved them. Now I wish I was recording them just in case, but that's a big undertaking given it would be seven seasons to record onto DVD-Rs. This is where an external hard drive connected to the DVR might come in handy. I certainly agree with birthday boy, Gary ( happy belated, old boy!) in his prognostications over current release patterns and also about already having enough to watch for a long time, but inherent collectors will always obsess over WHERE'S THE REST and/or WHAT ELSE IS THERE?
     
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    Had to happen sooner or later but at least we can be thankful for getting as much as we did. As for the shows that will never make it out, well, that's why what we have our VHS collections for! Not as good quality, but better than nothing. Unfortunately, my 2 favorite genres, dramas and sitcoms, are not big selling DVD items.
     
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    Back on April 16, 2010, in the "Sitcoms with 2 or more full seasons that are not on DVD" thread, you said:
    A lot can happen in four years... :D
     
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    Not the sitcoms that I want, unfortunately, which are the shorter running ones from the 60s that I watched as a kid. I don't think that any time soon we are going to see DVD sets of Occasional Wife, Love on a Rooftop, Blondie, The Jean Arthur Show, Karen, Harris Against The World, Tom, Dick and Mary, No Time For Sergeants, Wendy and Me, Second Hundred Years, Mr. Roberts, Accidental Family, Nancy, He and She, Baileys of Balboa, The Cara Williams Show, Many Happy Returns, It's About Time, Pistols and Petticoats, The Queen and I, Make Room For Granddaddy, The Paul Lynde Show, The Good Life, Temperatures Rising, Adam's Rib, Needles and Pins, A Touch Of Grace, The Little People, Valentine's Day, Double Life of Henry Phyffe, The Tycoon, The Good Guys, To Rome With Love, The Smith Family or The Governor and JJ.It seems for a shorter run show to be released, the best bets are Westerns or SciFi.
     
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    I'd love to see the Jean Arthur Show be released. Never saw a bad movie with her yet and the few bits and pieces I've seen of the show, she seems every bit as appealing as she was in her movie days decades earlier.
     
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    Not a great show by any means and it was the last thing she ever did on screen. But she was in her mid-60s at the time and she looked around 20 years younger. They even said that they were worried about Ron Harper being believable playing her son and he was 30 years old.
     
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    Many shows I'd like to own on your list .
     
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    I attended a film fair here in the UK this weekend & got chatting to Renown films one of the stallholders . Renown are mostly known for releasing old British 'B movies from the 30's to the 60's.It appears they have the rights to all the Four Star catalogue 'Burke's Law, 'Big Valley' 'June Allyson','Black Saddle' etc.etc.for the UK, Scandinavia,& curiously Africa.They have just re-released 'Honey West' here.I enquired if they planned to release any further Four Star material & they told methat a clause in their rights stated they could only put them out if they could guarantee to sell a thousand copies. Not much chance of that for these old B/W shows in the UK. I thought it interesting that perhaps a similar clause exists for whoever hold the rights in the US.
     
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    I bet that they could sell a 1000 copies of Burkes Law, especially if there was a mastering glich that failed to region code the disks.
     
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    Wow, that's really sad. Not that the company isn't producing these Four Star series, but that they feel they couldn't even sell 1,000 copies of any of them. I'd have thought selling 1,000 sets wouldn't have been that hard, even for older TV series like these. Shows what I know.


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    Agreed. But bear in mind a lot of Four Star shows such as Richard Diamond & most of the westerns (apart from Big Valley) never played here so there is no nostalia factor to boost sales.
     
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    Also, there is the difference of population scale. The equivalent amount in the U.S. would be about 5,000-6,000. I do wish that there was a little more transparency about sales so we could know what the realistic expectations should be. VCI touted Burke's Law and Honey West as big sellers, but we don't know the company's usual sales figures. Did they sell 5,000 copies? 10,000? Burke's Law obviously did well enough to warrant a second, slimmer edition of the first volume but how do we know what the actual numbers might have been?
     
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    'Bilko' aka 'The Phil Silvers Show' aka 'You'll Never Get Rich' the complete series + extras is scheduled for UK release in July. Horrendous price but I'm sure it will drop. You can check it out on Amazon UK. I imagine a US release will be in the offing.
     
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    Great news ! I'll be ordering this - I have a multi-region player . I think at this point it would be "iffy" for a US release . Paramount hasn't done anything with the show in years . But we can hope , and meanwhile the complete series is finally coming out .
     

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