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Is SVS 20PCi worth the $100 more than the 25PCi??

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Kevin Bedell, Apr 16, 2002.

  1. Kevin Bedell

    Kevin Bedell Auditioning

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    OK, after speaking with Tom V a few minutes ago, I'm going with the SVS over the Hsu. The only questions left is whether or not to spend the extra $100 for the the 20PCi, or

    "just" get the the 25PCi tuned to 22hz.

    Please, help me make this choice..all opinions welcome!!!
     
  2. Dan Joy

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    What did Tom Say?

    I would follow his lead!
     
  3. Alexis

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    depends on your room size. The drop in output with a 22hz tune will be more than the drop in upper end output going to the 20hz tube
     
  4. Cam S

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    I'd go with the 25, the difference might not be worth $100 bucks too you, so it's better to save it for something else.
     
  5. Manuel Delaflor

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    It depends on how important is deep bass for you. I would select the 20Pci, without a doubt. But then again, I love deep bass.
     
  6. Dan Joy

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    Kevin, I have about a 15X30 room, completely open to one side( Kitchen, nook etc..) with 10' ceilings, a fireplace, and a BIG FAT sectional couch. My 25-31PCi is about 2db hot and I can't believe the bass that I get from it. Yes, I can't compare this to other subs(this is my first) but I brought home a mirage FRx-10, an entry velo 10 inch something, and a klipsch 10 inch sub to audition in home. Needless to say I kept the SVS. Tom advised me not to tune to 22Hrz and I am qiute happy.
    IF you calibrate with an SPL meter and Avia/VE the bass will come![​IMG]
     
  7. SVS-Ron

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    Kevin,

    If you are already asking that question, imagine what you'll think/wonder in a few weeks after you get the 25-31. If this is bugging you now, it'll KILL you later.

    If you have the money, I agree, the added 5Hz extension on some movies is just a thrill. But if money is tight and it's either or, you will not regret the 25-31.

    It's a tough call, but the "what if" factor can make $100 seem a small price for moments of crazy deep bass the 20-39 dips into. Not to mention peace of mind.

    Ron
     
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    ...but what about the 16 [​IMG]
    My point: There is always an upgrade lurking around the corner. Don't just go for the 25 "in case" you'll someday be bitten by the upgrade bug. Only get it if you really want that extra extension.
     
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    I also chose the 20-39PCi, and I'm glad I did. Even though I have a pretty large living room with 10' ceilings that's open in the back, the 20-39PCi offers plenty of volume for me, and I don't think I'm pushing it anywhere near the limits (I can't imagine what possesses people to get 2 SVS subs). So I don't think the extra db or 2 offered by the 25-31 is as important as the lower extension.
     
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    That's the one thing I don't under stand with SVS. The difference between the 25-31, 20-39 and 16-46 models is exactly the same in each of the CS, PCi and CS+ lines (more tube, more fabric and possibly different length ports). Yet the difference in cost between the models is $50 in the CS+, $70 in the CS and $100 in the PCi.

    I suppose it's just what SVS needs to do to make the business profitable and I have no ill will towards them for doing so (after all there lines still are the best value in bass out there). But I personally would like a reasonable and reasonably detailed explanation as to why all the lines price difference isn't $50.
     
  13. Brian Fellmeth

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    I had a 25-31 and 20-39 PC's side by side and there is no way the 20-39 is worth the extra $100 just to get a little more mostly inaudible rumble from explosions. I could hear no difference at all with very deep material and the extra "feel" was very subtle. What I could hear is the 20-39 botteming (very loud though) when the 25-31 still had headroom. Smaller, cheaper, louder- three significant advantages against a non significant (IMO) extension advantage.
     
  14. Steve Zimmerman

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    I have dual 25-31 CS+ with the 22Hz tuning port blocker in both subs. In my very large room at 85dB, the sub response is completely flat to 20 Hz, only 2dB down at 17.5Hz, and 10dB down at 15Hz.

    That's pretty low if you ask me, and my subs are short enough that they hide behind a chair. It was *three* full days after I installed these subs in my family room that my wife asked me why there were two of them instead of only one.

    Seems to me that if you're close enough to maxing out your sub that the port blocker is going to make a difference then you need two subs anyway.

    --Steve
     
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    Like Dan Joy, though my room is 20' x 30 w/10' high vaulted ceiling, ... to quote Dan
     
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    Brian,

    I'd guess that comparo was some time ago, before went to the much more robust ISD woofer. I'm sure your observation is valid, just that with the added resistance to bottoming and higher output now you are unlikely to have this happen at less than VERY high levels. So take the comparison and raise the bar much higher than you heard.

    Whether this is "worth" $100 is going to be VERY dependent on the diet of music and movies you feed the sub. On scenes I know well, ones that are very demanding in terms of depth and amplitude of the bass, I can tell a 20-39 from a 25-31 in a second. All it takes is the first 5 min. of Toy Story 2, or a score of other subwoofer busters like that.

    The comment is well taken though, for MOST music and movie bass the 25-31 will have more capacity, but in terms of covering all your bets in terms of SPL AND extension the 20-39 is a more balanced design.

    There are plusses and minuses with any design. The fact we sell probably 3 20-39 (CS/Plus/PCi) for any one of any other size tells me its combination of extension and sheer SPL capability is a good mix.

    Ron
     
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    UhOh, here comes the "what if" factor. Thanks Ron [​IMG]
     
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    Randy,

    Sorry, I've spent so much time with both that it's like fine wine, you can tell the difference but that doesn't make either a bad choice.

    If size and budget aren't major factors, then there is no question I'd prefer the depth/extension of the 20-39. I'd sooner miss the effortless impact of 15-20Hz (don't let anyone tell you bass that deep is not audible when it's done with authority! And with natural room gain you will see such bass easily). It's not like the more common bass where the 25-31 is comfortable (call it 20-25Hz, and up of course) isn't tremendously satisfying. It is. But you only need parse thru the "Bassy Scenes" on our FAQ's page to understand that there are lots of movies (and more all the time) with lots of energy down to 20Hz and below.

    Frankly, only spending time with a 16-46 or a 20-39 would allow you to spot the times the 25-31 would be wanting there. It'd be brief but unmistakeable on key passages of key movies.

    Again, the 20-39 is a marvelous mix of SPL capacity and depth/extension. If we have a "switch hitter" in our lineup (must be baseball season) it's the 20-39. The 25-31 might not sell as quickly, but I can't recall anyone ever returning one because they "thought it didn't go low enough". It goes plenty low for most people, plus it's smaller, louder and less expensive. It also goes lower, with clarity than many if not most conventional subwoofers. That's what you should keep in mind. The "small" SVS goes so low already that you are only "sacrificing" deeper bass when compared to its stablemates, really.

    These are shades of gray here. If budget or height are issues go with what you can manage and enjoy what you end up with does best.

    Ron
     

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