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Is streaming bad for Hollywood?

Discussion in 'Streaming and Digital Media' started by Martin Dew, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. Martin Dew

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    When was the last time Hollywood made a foreign language film *and* it ended up with so many Oscar nominations? Oh, and was black and white AND CinemaScope? I’d say never - please prove me wrong. That such a movie would have been “made for TV” in 1975 is just laughable.

    My point is that Netflix and other streaming distributors are making some outstanding films, that Hollywood never did or would have. We should be celebrating rather than trying to fight it. The other Steven, Steven Sodderbergh just made for Netflix a superb new film: High Flying Bird. I’d urge Mr. Spielberg to treat Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO etc. as just another Hollywood movie studio, and take advantage of what is a new golden age of movies.
     
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    Spielberg is in the wrong here. His stance is That of what seems to be an outdated system
     
  4. Scott Merryfield

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    Seems like some old Hollywood people are just afraid of some quality competition.
     
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    The problem with streaming is that it's a bubble that's going to burst. There's no way that Netflix can sustain its current level of output. Right now, just about every tech company with money to burn is entering the streaming business, but the vast majority of them are going to fall by the wayside, and there's going to be a huge contraction of production in the next five to ten years. When the dust settles, we'll probably be left with weak legacy studios only interested in making safe bets and and three or four big streaming players making a fraction of what they do now.
     
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    I see the same happening as well, I think some will fall by the Wayside. However, Netflix was in the Streaming business early on .. Wouldn't they have a better chance of survival with their Subscriber base?
     
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    I have to point out that Jeffrey Katzenberg says that Spielberg told him that he isn't pushing for a rule change and that his statements were misinterpreted.

    "“I talked to Steven about this yesterday. I asked him very specifically,” Katzenberg said during the panel. He said, ‘I absolutely did not say that.’ “

    Katzenberg said Friday that Spielberg didn’t say anything about Netflix. In fact, he said it was a journalist that took a story and misinterpreted his words.

    “What happened is a journalist was onto a story about this and had heard a rumor about Steven,” said Katzenberg. “They called a spokesperson to get a comment and honestly, just twisted it around.”"

    https://deadline.com/2019/03/jeff-katzenberg-steven-spielberg-netflix-oscars-1202572339/
     
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    Oh really, Jeffrey? "In March 2018, Spielberg spoke out against Netflix films earning Oscar recognition. “Once you commit to a television format, you’re a TV movie,” he told ITV News. “You certainly, if it’s a good show, deserve an Emmy, but not an Oscar. I don’t believe films that are just given token qualifications in a couple of theaters for less than a week should qualify for the Academy Award nomination.”

    https://variety.com/2019/scene/awards/steven-spielberg-cinema-audio-society-awards-streamers-1203141954/

    It is easy to understand Spielberg's warm feelings for the cinema. There is a lot of nostalgia involved, but it is worth noting that cinema is a business model that has made him extremely wealthy and powerful. Hollywood has well-established, well-functioning business models. They are now under threat by streaming. Connection?
     
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    But that is the current rule for Academy consideration for an Oscar, is it not? If Netflix, etc., were not following the rules for qualifying, their films would be disqualified from consideration.

    If Spielberg thinks the rules are too lax, he needs to petition the Academy to change the eligibility rules, not simply exclude certain company because he feels they're primarily a TV provider and not a movie studio. As long as they're complying with the Oscar eligibility rules, I don't think he has any valid complaint.
     
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    I'm sure that Spielberg has that view point, but that doesn't mean that he will actually try to ban Netflix films at the Oscars.
     
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    This whole argument is dumb. Streaming will not be slowed down by the likes of Spielberg and it’s a huuuuge net positive for consumers

    Never try to sell a meteor to a dinosaur.
     
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    The one thing that I think does need to be cleared up - would an HBO movie be up for an Emmy but a Netflix movie be up for an Oscar? That would make little sense.
     
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    Was the HBO movie released in theaters in accordance with Oscar's eligibility requirements?
     
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    Which HBO movie?
     
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    HBO doesn't release their films theatrically. Netflix has given some of their movies a limited theatrical release, enough to qualify for Oscar consideration. If Roma hadn't been released to theatres and only played on the streaming service, it could qualify for Emmy consideration.
     
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    I do not see what the big fuss is about - the oscars are for theatrical movies, so why should Netflix movies be in the running?

    One could say that the real hypocrites here are Netflix who pretend to be the new avantgarde with movies produced exclusively for their streaming platform but they also seek recognition by the old Hollywood system. Who says they can't have it all? ;)
     
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    You're the one who mentioned an HBO movie. I thought you had an example.
     
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    Because in accordance to academy rules they play movies they want to be nominated for at least a week in NY and LA. If a wide release was required the Foreign Language Film and Documentary feature categories would be in trouble.
     
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    Yes I know that Netflix let Roma run for a little bit and they even produced some 70mm prints. But why not just take the stance that they do not need the recognition of an Oscar nomination?

    As for the academy they will have to make up their mind how to handle this new situation but in my opinion it is very easy for Netflix or HBO to have their productions screen in theaters as per the requirements of the academy. That begs the question why it is still a good idea to have that qualification at all? Might be better to change the rules so that every movie is eligible based on artistic merit or if this is not what they want they'll have to come up with different criteria.
     
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