I finally decided on a refurbished Marantz 8200 from Accessories 4 Less and ordered one on 8-1-02. It came in the next day and I was able to set it up. My first impression was good. The 8200 was double boxed and looked new as others on this forum said that theirs did. After going through the initial set-up I tried playing my first Cd with it and the sound was awful. I know this isn't the normal sound of the amp, it sounded as if the singer was under water. Even my wife thought that the sound was terrible. I then put the 8200 in Source Direct and the sound was only marginally better. I would think that this points to a problem with the amplifier section. I then turned off the Cd player and noticed sound still coming out from the 8200, so I turned it up and realized that it was amplifying a distorted signal from my tv. I unplugged my tv interconnects and it went away. I then turned on my VCR with the 8200 STILL set to CD and I heard a fairly loud amplified sound coming from my VCR. I wouldn't think that I should ever hear a sound from my TV or VCR when the receiver is set to CD. I never did with my Yamaha. If anyone knows a reason for this happening other than it being DOA please let me know. Tech support isn't on during the weekends at Accessories 4 less. I'm afraid that I waited 3 months of researching only to buy a bad receiver. I hope if it is broke I can get another without problems, or I'll end up buying the Denon 3802 after all.