is Lord of the Rings done in super 35?

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  1. John-Miles

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    i saw someone had in their signature somethign like "Super 35 official film of Mordor and X-files conspiracy" is this implying that LOTR is done in Super 35?

    I will add i perfer OAR, but super 35 is an acceptable comprimise.
     
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    LORD OF THE RINGS was indeed shot in Super 35.
     
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    I hope you don't mean "open matte" is a suitable compromise, which it most certainly isn't!!

    I actually watched a couple minutes of LOTR in full screen at a supermarket that was selling it and had it playing on a TV (also for sale). Absolutely dreadful. I noticed slightly more room on top and bottom on a few shots, but cropping and pan+scan were still very abundant.
     
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    Yep, the super-35 looses information on the right and left
    sides, and cuts compositions...I bought both versions,
    because I look for opportunties to prevent burn in on
    my television, but find the 1.33:1 version of the film
    to be not nearly as pleasurable to watch, looks waay too
    cramped, compared to the WS version.

    Mark
     
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    hmmm seems www.thedigitalbits.com mislead me in the explaination of widescreen i was given the impression that super35 allowed the movie to be shown without cutting off anything. I was under the impression that the only change was material was added to the top and bottom....
    Like i said i perfer OAR, but i also think that if you are goign to abandon OAR you should at least take the solution that leaves you with all of the movie. but it seems Super35 dosent do that....
     
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    John, thanks for discussing my sig, just in case, I am implying that it's evil [​IMG]
    The best visual demonstation of Super35 is found on the Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition in the encylclopedia (chapter 40-something I believe)
     
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    OK, I understand the implications of Super35 and open matte versus shooting with anamorphic lenses which requires a more extreme pan-n-scan. The one thing I've never understood is what makes Super-35 "super"? In other words, how is it different from regular 35mm?
     
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    OK well now i have to justify myself until i started this thread i was under the impression that super 35 looked like this example from the digital bits the air force one example.
    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...eenorama2.html
    personally i find this a whole lot less offensive than normal pan and scan.
    IF I have to i can put up with extra material but absolutely no cropping and cutting. having seen those LOTR clips I now know the truth, and for really wide movies like that it is just as unacceptable as Pan and Scan
     
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    John-
    Sometimes with low-budget movies, they will just "open up the matte" for a 4x3 release. Its kinda funny because you'll see boom-mikes, and other production equipment.
    Occationally dramas and comedies will have an "open-matte" version because the director framed them BOTH for 1.33 and 1.85 with a TV version in mind.

    But, usually the 4x3 is still pan/scan for most films because many shots (ie CG,FX) are hard-matted, not soft. Sometimes with Super35 4x3 versions, you'll see horizontal and vertical panning.

    That T2 'data' disc is really a film school in a box. I also found it really interesting the way film gets edited. Good stuff. Though, for some reason, the 'Data' disc makes my RCA DVD player humm loudly during the menus.

    Nick
     
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    No what I had meant was that you wouldn't lose anything that was in the theatrical release. As I said its just a matter of taking the lesser of two evils, if (for whatever reason) you cant have OAR (some studios dont release in OAR from what I understand) I would much rather have more in the pictures rather than less.

    again its just a lesser of two evisl, and only measured in degrees at that. OAR is ALWAYS preferable
     
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    Thanks Michael
     
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    You know it's been so long since I have watched a movie on VHS after looking at those OAR comparison shots I can't believe how much color is lost on the VHS pics and how blurry it is. Well I am all for OAR and only purchase films in OAR, but I can't believe at one time in my life I thought VHS was quality product. [​IMG] Anyway Bring on HDDVD so we can start saying the same in 5 years [​IMG]
     
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    After looking at those examples, I feel sick to my stomach! Never ceases to sicken me seeing a film as beautiful as 'LOTR' butchered like that.
    A freind told me about an open-matte mistake he saw in the film when he saw a display in a store. He said that during the trip down the river when they come upon those two huge statues of the kings, at one point you can see a telephone pole at the top of the screen! I have no idea if this is true since i've never laid eyes on the open-crap version. [​IMG]
     

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