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S-Video conversion so that now this has remained in the feature set.
Are any details available about the Cirrus Logic update?
S-Video conversion so that now this has remained in the feature set.
Are any details available about the Cirrus Logic update?
Are any details available about the Cirrus Logic update?
I'm not sure exactly what they did, Will, (hopefully they'll explain the technology involved at some point if it isn't proprietary) but the resulting sound is even better than before. My original unit sounded very nice and I actually like the sound of the new unit even more. It's hard to put into words. You have to hear it to understand it.
Sorry I can't be more specific. Perhaps stating that the surround modes seem even more realistic to me might help. For example, I now find a greater difference in DTS and DTS ES than before. And DPL2 handling of DPL soundtracks on LD's takes on additional sonic "life." There seems to be some additional sound steering going on and the sounds blend together more seamlessly. And 7 STEREO and 5 STEREO doesn't sound as contrived as previously.
I hope this isn't too obtuse. Like I said, hard to explain on paper.
And 7 STEREO and 5 STEREO doesn't sound as contrived as previously.
How contrived did it use to sound, before? And if it still sounds contrived, at least, somewhat, could you give an example or greater detail of how it sounds contrived?
Very shortly we will have a Model 950 in your hands to go with that manual.
Any guess as to when I really will be getting one? The key words are very shortly.
Also, could you please post an accurate description how the bass management works for both digital sources and analog (stereo & external ch inputs).
I'm particularly interested in how the 950 works with stereo inputs and external channel inputs for my Sony C555es SACD player and sub/monitor setup. I have all 2-way stand mounted speakers that have response only down to around 45-50Hz. The sub always does the last 1-2 octaves, so bass management is very important for me.
Idealy I would like to have:
1) Analog xover for both the sub and mains (80 Hz is fine) in stereo analog bypass mode. The ability to switch the xover/sub on/off of course.
2) An analog xover on the external inputs that is lower than the 120Hz setting on the C555es.
3) Adjustable digital xover for all channels independantly for digital sources.
Can the 950 do all I am asking for?
Thanks,
Gil
7 STEREO and 5 STEREO
Is the 5/7 channel stereo implementation as good as on the Denon's? The Denon is quite good at this.
A clarification on my 7 STEREO and 5 STEREO comments.
To me, this mode is best explained as disco mode. If you've ever been on a dancefloor in a high tech club, you already know what this sounds like, although probably every speaker in the club is actually a mono signal, not stereo as it is here. IMO, these modes are best used for casual listening where alot of volume is desired, aka rowdy Party Time.
if you choose 5 STEREO, the L signal is sent to LS as well and the R signal is sent to RS as well and the C channel receives L+R. With 7 STEREO the L is also sent to the LRear and the R is sent to the RRear. At least that's my guess regarding what's going on.
Is it possible to verify with the Outlaws that that's in fact what's going on, with 5 stereo and 7 stereo? In other words, is the L signal identical to the LS and LRear signals, except perhaps for having different volume levels?
Is it possible to verify with the Outlaws that that's in fact what's going on, with 5 stereo and 7 stereo? In other words, is the L signal identical to the LS and LRear signals, except perhaps for having different volume levels?
I'll ask the next time I'm on the phone with them. At the moment this is far down their priority list as they are preparing these units to get out the door.
I base my assumptions on the fact that I still get stereo imaging in what John Morris so aptly caused "disco mode" (good analogy.) It's just that the stereo imaging also extends to the back of the room as well.
But a definitive answer? I'd either need the schematics or a talk with a designer. Like I said, this mode has its uses, but none of them are, in my opinion, for serious listening. They are interesting for party time and for those times when you want to hear some non DTS or DD sources a little clearer (like most regular TV). 5 Stereo brings the sound closer to the listener. 7 Stereo tends to put you in the middle of the sound. Which you use (if any) depends a lot on the environment of the program you are watching.
Make sense?
I'll ask the next time I'm on the phone with them.
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Make sense?
Yes it does. Look forward to hearing their response. Sounds like you and Morris are full time busy now with new beta tests.
Sorry I can't be more specific. Perhaps stating that the surround modes seem even more realistic to me might help. For example, I now find a greater difference in DTS and DTS ES than before. And DPL2 handling of DPL soundtracks on LD's takes on additional sonic "life." There seems to be some additional sound steering going on and the sounds blend together more seamlessly. And 7 STEREO and 5 STEREO doesn't sound as contrived as previously.
I hope this isn't too obtuse. Like I said, hard to explain on paper.
Could you maybe ask the Outlaws how the Cirrus Logic has changed? Also I'm not sure I understand what has changed in 7 STEREO and 5 STEREO from before, to make it sound better other than maybe (?) changes to various volume levels?
However, at some point, you have to cut bait and make a decision to move the process along. So waiting forever is not an option since the product would never be released. One of the things I've suggested to Outlaw over and over, if they decide to go ahead with a more upscale pre/pro somewhere down the line is allowing for this changing environment in a way that the users can actually upgrade
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This, to me, would be a worthwhile reason to pay more for a pre/pro - assuming that it was backed by some real support. They need a little of the Lexicon mentality in this regard.
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Right now let's get them out the door.
I'm not sure it's necessary to pay much more for upgradability since upgradability is in the manufacturer's interest too, and not just in the consumers interest. With upgradability the manufacturer can get it out the door quick and upgrade it at any time in the future, maybe multiple times in the future.
Products like the Rotel pre/pro that cost just a few hundred dollars more than Outlaw (and far less than what Lexicon costs) currently offer upgradability.
I'm not sure it's necessary to pay much more for upgradability since upgradability is in the manufacturer's interest too, and not just in the consumers interest. With upgradability the manufacturer can get it out the door quick and upgrade it at any time in the future, maybe multiple times in the future.
With the recent turn of events I agree with you, Will. (Gasp!!)
Makes a lot of sense as long as the upgrade path becomes supported rather than just a never used "feature" that is added to pad the specifications list. And if the pathway is provided chances are good that someone, even if it's an after-market concern, will support it if the product is popular enough.
Makes a lot of sense as long as the upgrade path becomes supported rather than just a never used "feature"
An upgrade to the Rotel 1066 pre/pro is already available for download by customers who have access to the internet.
An upgrade to the Rotel 1066 pre/pro is already available for download by customers who have access to the internet.
Yes, I'm aware of this.