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Brian Perry

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Last year Barry Bonds shattered not only the single-season homerun record, but also blew away Babe Ruth's 81-year-old record for slugging percentage. Bonds also set the record for most walks.

This year he is on pace to shatter Ted Williams' single-season record for on-base percentage.

And Bonds is going to be 38 in a few weeks.

What gives? His performance is unprecedented not only for the actual numbers but the age at which he's putting them up. I think it's ludicrous that someone who has been in the league as long as he has is suddenly able to break many of the most important records in the game, after more than fifteen years of good, maybe borderline great (but not legendary) performance. His OBP of .572 is .150 higher than his career average. His slugging percentage of last year was .300 higher than his career average. Jumps like that don't happen in baseball. They just don't, unless there are another variables involved, such as rules changes (or steroids).

Baseball's very foundation is stats. Stats are what get kids interested in baseball. If the numbers suddenly have no validity, the game will die. Between juiced balls and juiced ballplayers, I am afraid for the future of baseball.
 

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Baseball's very foundation is stats. Stats are what get kids interested in baseball. If the numbers suddenly have no validity, the game will die. Between juiced balls and juiced ballplayers, I am afraid for the future of baseball.
Add a shrinking strike zone, poor pitching due to over-expansion, and new home run friendly ball parks to your other reasons, and the home run records being set today are a joke. Guys who couldn't hit 20 HR's before the '94 strike are now hitting 50, and guys who hit in the mid-30's now hit 60-70.

Henry Aaron's career record may be broken, but his accomplishment was still more impressive than any of these steroid-induced numbers.
 

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Henry Aaron's career record may be broken, but his accomplishment was still more impressive than any of these steroid-induced numbers.
The batters today may have some "help", but Aaron definitely had his chances.

Total At-bats:
Bonds: 7932
Babe Ruth: 8893..hit 60 in 1927, and 59 in '21
Frank Robinson: 10006
Henry Aaron: 12664, and never had a HR total higher than 44/season

Ruth put up the most impressive numbers in my eyes.
 

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Anthony,

What always amazed me about Aaron's record was the fact that he never hit 50 HR's in a season. The consistency required to hit 755 HR's without any huge single season numbers is quite an accomplishment.
 

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Extremely true.

For someone to play so many years without getting hurt is amazing. Consistancy is the huge part of the game.
 

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Mark McGwire has the best AB/HR ratio, even better than Babe Ruth. If he wasn't hurt so much throughout his career he would have set the record, but that's why it's a record, longevity.

I am unimpressed with baseball these days, I am sure that a large number are roiding. What I don't get is that steroids are illegal aren't they, why shouldn't MLB be able to test for illegal drugs. Yes they are legal if prescribed by a doctor, but if these guys don't have a prescription they are breaking the law aren't they?

Baseball has become a joke the last 10 years. Way too many home runs, ect... I think that Scott made enough good points. Here's why Bonds won't hit .400 next year, these spoiled losers are likely to strike in September. I guess that playing a game for a few million a year with at least 2 months vacation a year is asking too much. After the last strike I lost a lot of interest in baseball, the next one I hope does even more so to other fans. These babies think the game belongs to them, the game belongs to the fans, no fans no game, period.
 

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And don't forget a ridiculously juiced baseball.

Remember also that McGwire was playing for an out-of-contention team. There was no real pressure other than the individual attention given to him. I rather think Mickey Mantle faced much greater stakes in 1961.

These records are so damn meaningless now. You guys are right: Statistics that have remained unapproached for so damn long don't suddenly come crashing down on an almost annual basis like that. Remember, there was an asterisk by Roger Maris's 61st home until a decade or so ago.

I still think of Babe Ruth as the true single-season homerun king.

We're not quite playing the same game these days. Meaningless. And I'm disillusioned. And I hate interleague play.
 

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What I hate is that the owners have deluded fans and everyone else into thinking that the players are all at fault for the escalating salaries and ticket prices for the games. The owners, last I checked, pay the salaries. They also receive all revenues. The only thing the players are doing is trying to see what they are worth to the owners.
If the owners weren't still making craploads of money, they wouldn't continue to own the teams, and they wouldn't continue to pay the salaries. Most people would love to get paid a crapload to do their job, and if the market could bear it, they would. How many of us complain that companies make all this money, and we see little of it?
What needs to happen is a true salary cap, where the owners sit down and say, "Okay, this is getting silly. Half the nation can't afford to come anymore, and the smaller market teams can't compete financially. To make the game more competitive for all the teams, we need to equalize the playing field."
 

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What needs to happen is a true salary cap, where the owners sit down and say, "Okay, this is getting silly. Half the nation can't afford to come anymore, and the smaller market teams can't compete financially. To make the game more competitive for all the teams, we need to equalize the playing field."
Couldnt agree more. With a salary cap, teams other than The Yankees can contend. I just heard that they were looking into getting ANOTHER big bat. I cant believe it. It's just not fair. Just because Steinbrenner(sp?) is rich as hell, it doesnt mean that the Yankees should win the World Series everytime. Shouldnt teams like the Twins be able to contend? I mean, they were really close to contraction this season. It's just not fair that some teams may have to dissapear just because they can't afford Jason Gimabi and the like.

And a salary cap would definitely help out with lower ticket costs.
 

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Well, I should say that MLB does have a salary cap, but it's retarded as hell. This is how it works:
Each team is allowed to spend as much as they made in revenue the year before, plus 5%. That's it. And revenues include liscencing rights from appearances, merchandise and memorabilia. So I guess that's fair, right? Right? Hello?
 

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The owners, last I checked, pay the salaries. They also receive all revenues. The only thing the players are doing is trying to see what they are worth to the owners
Yes they do, I don't blame the players for moving from team to team when someone offers them more money. I do however hold the players responsible for striking. They have free agency which allows them to take the best offer on the table, how much is enough for them to not strike? I guess that's the reason to get involved in entertainment, you can make a ton of money for doing little work.

Big yes to a salary cap, then players also might not switch teams like they do now (depending on such factors as family, ect) if they are only going to get a small raise to move to another city. I hate free agency for the SPORT, but I don't think it would be fair to the players without it.
 

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And a salary cap would definitely help out with lower ticket costs.
How? Ticket costs have nothing to do with salary; it's supply and demand. Do you really think your average baseball team owner would take the money they save on salary and use it to reduce ticket costs, as opposed to putting it in their pockets?
 

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If theyre smart, and they want to save baseball.
:laugh:
So, you're hypothesizing new owners?
:laugh:
It depends on the team, though - here in Boston, we've got the highest ticket prices in the country, but the team sells out every game. Why? Because it's worth paying for.
The Pirates cut ticket prices a few weeks ago, not because they'd cut salary, but because they couldn't sell tickets at the prices they were charging. It was totally a supply-and-demand decision to maximize revenue, not something altruistic.
Teams have a limited number of tickets they can sell, based upon the size of their stadium. If the Red Sox can still sell Fenway out with a $40 average ticket price after a salary cap, what possible motivation would they have to lower ticket prices?
 

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Three cheers for Roger Clemens for plunking Bonds and that ridiculous armor her wears on his elbow. I hate seeing batters with all that gear they wear while batting (except for knee/shin/ankle guards to protect recent injuries). If I was up there with all that armor protecting me, I'd be all over the plate too. Thanks Roger!

With a salary cap, there should also be a salary floor. If you can't afford to spend money for your team to sign players, you really don't deserve to have own a team in the first place. I've heard stories (true? maybe....) about owners who have the money but don't want to spend it, that's ridiculous. They don't deserve to have a winning team in that place, let alone own a MLB team. It's sort of like any other business, the ones that spend money on R&D, securing a strong staff, etc....are going to do better than those that don't.

Random thoughts:

Bonds' 2001 was amazing, but not nearly as amazing as what Ruth did over his career compared to his generation...he often hit more home runs in a year than other teams did.

Steroids aren't illegal in baseball, but it's illegal to have them in the US without a perscription. They should test these guys and send the guilty ones to jail..that would be hilarious.

There's so much wrong with baseball...this thread could get as long at the "Attack of the Clones" or "Word Association" threads here.

Chris
 

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There's so much wrong with baseball...this thread could get as long at the "Attack of the Clones" or "Word Association" threads here.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be a mere exercise in padding one's post count! :)
My demands are few:
* Both leagues should play the same game (ban the DH rule).
* Raise the pitching mound back to fifteen inches.
* Ban regular-season interleague play.
* Shorten the regular season back to 154 games.
More to follow ...
 

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I kind of like inter-league play, at a few series a year. I'm kind of a purist I guess, but this is one modernism I like. Yes, get rid of the DH. Does anyone like this, other than current DH's?

They are going to charge whatever they can for tickets...it is a supply & deamnd issue, like anything else, I know there's another thread concerning MLB attendance, maybe we should join these two and have a "What's wrong with baseball" mega-thread.

Chris
 

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* Shorten the regular season back to 154 games.
Any particular reason? We're talking 8 games here, or about a week and a half of play. Now, while I can get behind the idea of not playing in Fenway when there's snow coming down, I'm afraid they would take it off the end of the season, and, darn it, I like when there's baseball on my 2 October birthday. :) Unless, of course, you're thinking along the lines of more off-days during the season - that might reduce injuries, which are probably the biggest problem the game has. Still, why would someone who loves baseball want less of it?
(Don't forget, fewer games -> higher ticket prices, as the same number of people try to buy fewer available tickets over the course of the year)
My demands are fewer:
* Bud Selig's head on a platter. I can't think of a single thing he's done that's good for the game. He constantly badmouths his own product, supported contraction, interleague play, gave the owners of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays a team, rigged the sale of the Red Sox (and denied it, while in the same interview saying the people of Boston would thank him for it), etc.
* End interleague play. I do not want to see the World Series be a rematch of something during the year, I don't like that the Red Sox and Yankees don't play the same schedule, etc.
* Lose owners like Carl Pohland, Jeffrey Loria, David Glass, and Bud Selig whose teams demand revenue sharing, but don't spend the money they take in on their team, and then complain that they can't compete without more revenue sharing. Make them sell to groups who will actually try to field a competitive team.
The game itself is still great; it's just unfortunate that it's in the hands of people who don't appreciate what they've got.
 

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I agree regarding baseball needing a salary cap. I have said this many times -- if the NFL used the same financial model as MLB, the Green Bay Packers would no longer exist. Under the NFL's system, not only does the Packers continue to exist, but they are also a very competitive organization.

For sports competition to be fair, all competitors must be on a level playing field. In today's high-priced professional sports, this cannot happen without a salary cap and revenue sharing. There is no way a team in Kansas City can generate the amount of revenue as a team in New York -- the population base is not there.

As for the DH, I know this goes against popular opinion here, but I do not mind the rule. I would rather see a decent batter than a guy take three feeble swings and return to the bench. I know that some pitchers can hit, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

BTW, I do remember when the AL did not have the DH rule, so this is not the opinion of some whippersnapper. Since I no longer watch MLB, though, my opinion isn't really important. The '94 strike was the final straw for me.
 

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Sort of like the Star Trek franchise being in the hands of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, eh Jason? :)
Why shorten the season back to 154 games? With three tiers of playoffs now, the season is just too damn long.
As for the pitching mound: Remember, MLB raised it in 1969 because of the year before, the so-called "year of the pitcher" (highest AL batting average: .301, from your hometown man "The Yaz"). Pitching was, the establishment thought, overpowering the game. Attendance was way down. There was even talk of the game fading away.
So, what happens next year? An offensive juggernaut. The Miracle Mets. More hits. All the stuff the non-purists love (I'm a pitching-duel fan).
And look at what we have now.
Of course, I hate reg-season interleague play. But a buddy of mine is dragging my sorry ass to Dodger Stadium to see the boys in blue play your hometown Bosox. Though a Yankee fan to the core (sorry, Jason), I love the Red Sox and the tradition the team upholds ("No World Series titles since 1918!"--sorry Jason). :)
 

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