Invisible Theater

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  1. erik foss

    erik foss Auditioning

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    Building a house in JAPAN. I would like to have a tremendous system, that can't be seen but rattles both the senses and the teeth!
    Living room is aprox. 3 meters wide and 4 meters deep, with no wall on one side, (1st floor is entirely open.
    I need suggestions on a partition/curtain for bouncing sound... and looking acceptable for the Wife...
    potential components:

    SONY BRAVIA KDF-50E 1000
    This TV has no review that I can find in english.... in the showroom it looks better than similar plasmas...
    DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TV???

    YSP-1
    As price and sight are a factor, this really looks appealing! But none of the reviews provide any specs.

    SVS PB-12
    This sub speaks for itself!! Shipping is gonna kill me!
     
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    Most living rooms have acceptable acoustics simply from the regular furnishings and decorating. For absorption, soft surfaces are better – carpet, draperies, over-stuffed furniture. Other regular furnishings like bookcases, end tables with lamps and other decorative stuff on them, plants, etc. all help with diffusion. Basically, most living rooms sound fine as long as you avoid an abundance of hard surfaces, like hardwood, laminate or tile floors, untreated windows, etc.

    Regards,
    Wayne A. Pflughaupt
     
  3. Parker Clack

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    If you truely want invisible then you are going to have to go with something like an in-wall system. I know that Axiom has a new system that would probably fit nicely into what you are wanting to do.

    I agree with Wayne. The PB-12 is far from invisible. The one thing about it though is that they are setting up shop in Europe so you might be able to save on some of the shipping costs.

    Parker
     
  4. erik foss

    erik foss Auditioning

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    Thank you for the advice, I was hard set on the YSP-1, it looks very appealing for what I want to do and what the wife will allow....
    I initially told her that my theater would ONLY cost $10k to install INCLUDING THE 50' PLASMA!! I thought this was reasonable[​IMG]!
    WRONG! we are going into debt $430,000 just to get in the door, and add the new car: TOYOTA ALPHARD AVN, (home theater on wheels)[​IMG]
    I am now reconsidering the YSP-1... but I MUST have an SVS sub!! the AXIOM in wall speakers look sweet! But convincing my wife to let me cut holes in our brand new house?? WOW! How many points do I need to get that one approved?? I was impressed with the lack of a receiver for the YSP-1, I am a closet audiophile... if I buy a receiver it MUST be DENNON 3805 or better..... that alone passes my, "allowance".
    On-line used buyer options that most of you have access too? FORGET ABOUT IT! New or..... homemade...
    The 1st floor of my house is 1 room, the kitchen/dining/living room measures;
    20' x 23' with an open beam 7.5' ceiling.
    3,450 cubic ft.
    living room portion:
    9'w,(no wall opens to kitchen/dining room) x 16', 1080 cubic ft.(back wall extends to 22', but includes entrance, [shoes off in JAPAN])
    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/gall...g2_itemId=3966
    Gentlemen, I have plenty of time, construction commences Dec.01, home completion date? March.

    I had originally planned on the SVS PB-12, currently considering the PB-10 or possibly a tube.

    Above and beyond that?? I currently run a 12 year old system:
    surround: BOSE AM5, (sorry, prior military)

    receiver: Kenwood KR-V9030 Pro-logic

    center: Kenwood powered center channel speaker, (equally ancient)
    main: JBL CONTROL LA monitors,(4ohm)

    any advice is good advice[​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  5. erik foss

    erik foss Auditioning

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    WAYNE! I am new to this thread/posting....
    SVS PB-12, it's not invisible, It's furniture!! I would like a bottom ported beautiful wooden sub, it's so obvious that it's actually not even noticed! If I put a plant on top of a PB-12 would it "walk away" during movies??
    Do you have any recommendations for a WIFE acceptable partition/curtain??
     
  6. Wayne A. Pflughaupt

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    You have to upload the pictures to a server, then post the link in the IMG command.

    Regards,
    Wayne A. Pflughaupt
     
  7. Parker Clack

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    erik:

    You have to have 15 posts to be able to post images. I will up your post count so you can do so.

    If you need to have a server to upload your pictures do go to our gallery at http://www.hometheaterforum.com/gallery1/main.php and sign up. Then you can upload your pictures to that place.

    If you already have pictures on a server that you want to link to just use [ img ]www. yourplace.com/yourpictures [ /img ] without the spaces.

    The beauty of the Axiom in walls is they disappear once you have installed them. Then you can convince her that she won't have to be dealing with speakers setting out in the room anywhere. (Except for the PB-12) which you could put into a corner.

    I would also check out the Outlaw Audio combos for a preamp and main amp. For the money they are hard to beat.

    Parker
     
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    If you want invisible bass (can't see "the box"), might I suggest an infinite baffle? It will make an SVS wimper, from what I'm told. I have never heard an SVS, but I do have an infinite baffle..... OMG. Read about the infinite baffle here --Cult of the Infinitely Baffled You can see pictures of installs (a DIY project, but I guess you could hire someone to do the project if you direct) and read testimonials. You will have to register to access the forum, but it's no big deal

    Tracy

    ps
    depending on available materials, ie drivers & amp, you will probably have less $$$ involved than a commericially sold sub....
     
  10. Parker Clack

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    erik:

    In your case I completely agree with Tracy about the Infinite Baffle.

    There are several people on this forum that have built their own IB so you may want to do a search and find out what they have done.

    Parker
     
  11. erik foss

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    Current thots('[​IMG]')
    home theater:

    Sony Bravia HDTV 50" JPY298,000 (no web sites in english)('[​IMG]')
    biggrin

    SVS PB10 sub, (these things are all the rage!! sold only over the net, rated at 15hz!!) $430 http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb10_isd.htm

    my dream ... $900 but the shipping cost....... http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm

    home speakers... dilema, trying to design a sight unseen system with thundering bass, (ergo SVS) and an enveloping "3d" sound

    YSP-1 JPY 140,000 http://www.yamaha-hifi.com/products....vset=&newsset=

    NAKAMICHI NIRO JPY 130,000
    http://www.niro1.com/us/
    or:
    http://www.hometheatermag.com/hometh...nabox/804niro/

    coupled w/ the sub, (looks like furniture, put a plant on it and it dissapears) this system looks cool!! not true 5.1 but if you read reviews on the YSP-1, impressive!! and sold in JAPAN!!
    Of course I need Made In The USA SUB!!!!!
    ('[​IMG]')

    Outlaw 950/7100 combo $1,500 http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...utlawaudio.htm

    SVS PB10
    Martin Logan "Ticket" in wall system: (PRICE?? I CAN'T FIND ONE!!) possibly, Polk Audio or B&W for in wall speakers... but the M.L. Tickets are, "just the ticket"!! http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...utlawaudio.htm


    possible center speakers??
    back to 3d sound!! mirage uni-theater $780 http://miragespeakers.com/unitheater.shtml
    or:
    http://miragespeakers.com/PDFs/curre..._March2005.pdf

    I have even been contempleting Infinfity baffles DIY, but this is slightly extreme for the "wife factor"
     
  12. erik foss

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    If anybody has advice, it will be highly appreciated..... WIFE said, "no"!! too cutting holes in the floor of our new house...
     
  13. Parker Clack

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    Something else to look into would be the Magnapan line of ribbon speakers at http://www.magnepan.com/_mmgw.php

    The MMG line is great in that it can be mounted to the wall and then tilted in towards your listening area. There is a great thread in the speakers section here on these great speakers.

    I personally have the Outlaw 950 and 770 power amp combo but I would love to have the model 990. I would go for the 990 and the 7100 combo or go with the larger amp like the 755 if you are going with 5.1 or the 770 if you are going for a larger system.

    I have heard the PB10 and it is a real killer for the money. They have a model just above that the PB12-ISD
    http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-isd1.cfm that has a 12 inch sub and 325 watt BASH amp that is just a little more money but gives you a 12 inch sub to push a little more output into the room.

    Parker
     

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