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In November, The Far Country (1955) coming from Arrow

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by richardburton84, Aug 16, 2019.

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  1. OliverK

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    Indeed, I spot-checked my version and tried to find a scene that shows significantly more detail but no luck.
     
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    I got this today and for a DVD it looks quite reasonable :(
     
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    Sadly after Bend of The River, The Last Frontier, El Cid, Fall of the Roman Empire and others this seems to be another movie directed by Tony Mann that got an at best mediocre Blu-ray, Most of these movies were known for their excellent cinematography but not that much of it has been left to be seen on these Blu-rays.
     
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    I'll get mine on Saturday.
     
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    "Many a true word spoken in jest". I agree, it looks like a pretty good DVD. Not a great one: I have several DVDs with better picture quality. Clearly, something went wrong.
     
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    Can somebody please comment on the extra content?
    It seems like I will see litte to no overall improvement compared to my HD recording if I get this but I wonder if the extras might be worth having:
    • American Frontiers: Anthony Mann at Universal, an all-new, feature-length documentary with film historian Alan K. Rode, western author C. Courtney Joyner, script supervisor Michael Preece, and critics Michael Schlesinger and Rob Word
    • Mann of the West, a newly filmed appraisal of Far Country and the westerns of Anthony Mann by the critic Kim Newman
     
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    It’s not me but one of the HTF reviewers will be covering the disc.
     
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    American Frontiers is quite good. It offers little that will be new to seasoned admirers of Anthony Mann and James Stewart but to "normals" it should be interesting and educational. The Kim Newman discussion, sadly, is not one of his best because essentially, he has little to say. The commentary track held me for about ten minutes before I gave up. However, I don't usually like commentaries so others may find it more stimulating.
     
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    I concur regarding the Kim Newman piece (the only one of the supplements I've had chance to view), and, indeed, with the consensus on the transfer.
     
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    Thank you Robin and John.

    I would consider myself to be rather well informed about Mann and Stewart and also about their collaboration so I will skip this release for now.
     
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    God, I can't wait until my copy ships to me as I've grown tired of reading all of the negative stuff as I want to see for myself.
     
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    I think that if it had just been said that this was done from best available elements then people would have been less critical. Reading about a 4k scan of the OCN results in certain expectations that have not been met.

    That being said I hope that you enjoy your disc nonetheless, at least it looks better than the DVD.
     
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    Until I see the actual disc, I'm going to withhold any further comments.
     
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    Matters little if the element is an OCN or a quality fine-grain. It’s what is done to it.

    All elements come from a great box, anyway.

    In Aqaba.
     
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    The Criterion Forum review
     
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    . . . . and this is what's puzzling me. Has there been some mysterious damage to the OCN? We've had several Blu-ray discs from mid 1950s Universal-International films and they all look considerably better than this new disc from the normally very dependable Arrow. I'm thinking of Thunder Bay, Foxfire, Night Passage etc. Why has The Far Country fallen so far short of the standards of those other Blu-ray discs?
     
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    Probably because the OCN was not scanned.
     
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    But Arrow's packaging explicitly states: "Brand new restoration from the original camera negative by Arrow Films" Does this mean that Arrow (or someone) did some work with the OCN without scanning it and instead scanned the lack-lustre result? My head is spinning.

    I hope that Kino Lorber is reading this thread and has decided to proceed very slowly and very carefully to obtain a result that avoids whatever mistakes and problems have befallen Arrow.
     
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    Arrow states that it is a scan of the OCN, provided by Universal, which had sustained heavy damage over the years. The digital scan was remastered by a company hired by Arrow in the U.K.

    So either Universal lied to Arrow about what scans were provided, which seems unlikely to me, or the camera negative had indeed sustained heavy damage over the years, as they’ve said.
     
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    I don’t believe that anyone “lied” about anything. Probably simple miscommunication.
     
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