Carlo_M
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I cannot speak to any Atmos speaker install positions outside of front and rear height (my couch does not sit against the back wall, it's about 5 feet away, so my head is about 6 feet away). I cannot install ceiling speakers since I rent, and I'm fairly sure the popcorn ceiling likely has asbestos. I'm not sure I'd consider the front more important than the rear heights. I would say they're incomplete without each other. If I were at 5.1 and could only add 2 speakers (due to, say, budget) I would make a 7.1 system first. I wouldn't bother with Atmos overheads unless I could do all 4, based on my experience of running 5.1.2 for quite a while.
I can't speak to your bass experience (or anyone else's) since it's highly room dependent. I initially just had a Hsu VTF3-MK5HP which was a respected 15" sub for its time. When I dialed it in to my MLP, it sounded great. But there were always noticeable peaks and nodes as I walked around the room. So if I was dedicated to watching a movie from the MLP, it worked perfectly. But as I've said, my HT room is also my living room and is adjacent to the dining room. So when I would not be in the MLP but listening to the system (say music) many of the other listening positions had uneven bass performance. Adding a second 15" sub (PSA 15S) and dialing it in just using Audyssey off of my Denon 3800 has evened out the peaks and nodes greatly. Even though I have very capable mains (Def Tech Demand D17) I have everything crossed over at 80hz. With the dual subs I have pretty even, consistent bass performance to my ears. From the MLP it sounds just as good as when I had a single sub, but moving around the room is the real revelation. This is just from Audyssey. I'm sure if I invested in REW+UMIK+DSP I could do better but honestly I am so happy with the result that I don't feel the need to go down that rabbit hole just yet.
I should mention the other recent addition that has helped a ton. I installed six 24x36 ATS Acoustic Panels in the room (NRC=1) and re-ran Audyssey. It actually tightened up everything, and I can listen at lower volumes than before and still understand dialogue. I think because my back wall was so reflective of the mains, I was getting interference/cancelation of certain frequencies so I found myself having to bump up the center channel by +1.5db to easily hear dialogue after Audyssey did it's thing pre-acoustic treatment. After installing the panels (5 in the back directly behind the main couch and one off the only reflective side wall, which is pretty far away so honestly it's more for decoration and aesthetics) I re-ran Audyssey. This was the first time I've not had to adjust any of the channels from the auto-calibration result (other than disabling the midrange compensation via the MultEQ app).
I should add this is my third Denon AVR (4400, 4500 and now 3800) and this is the first one I've ever been happy with the Audyssey results. With the first two receivers I ran Audyssey and then when toggling back and forth I preferred the unaltered sound to the Audyssey result, likely because I didn't have the MultEQ app back then and couldn't disable the midrange comp, I only recently bought the app along with the 3800). All were running as pre-pro, with external amps. That's the other thing I would recommend for any Denon owner. Spend the $20 and buy the MultEQ app for your iPad or tablet if you ever plan to run Audyssey. I can't wait until DIRAC is enabled in March via firmware.
I can't speak to your bass experience (or anyone else's) since it's highly room dependent. I initially just had a Hsu VTF3-MK5HP which was a respected 15" sub for its time. When I dialed it in to my MLP, it sounded great. But there were always noticeable peaks and nodes as I walked around the room. So if I was dedicated to watching a movie from the MLP, it worked perfectly. But as I've said, my HT room is also my living room and is adjacent to the dining room. So when I would not be in the MLP but listening to the system (say music) many of the other listening positions had uneven bass performance. Adding a second 15" sub (PSA 15S) and dialing it in just using Audyssey off of my Denon 3800 has evened out the peaks and nodes greatly. Even though I have very capable mains (Def Tech Demand D17) I have everything crossed over at 80hz. With the dual subs I have pretty even, consistent bass performance to my ears. From the MLP it sounds just as good as when I had a single sub, but moving around the room is the real revelation. This is just from Audyssey. I'm sure if I invested in REW+UMIK+DSP I could do better but honestly I am so happy with the result that I don't feel the need to go down that rabbit hole just yet.
I should mention the other recent addition that has helped a ton. I installed six 24x36 ATS Acoustic Panels in the room (NRC=1) and re-ran Audyssey. It actually tightened up everything, and I can listen at lower volumes than before and still understand dialogue. I think because my back wall was so reflective of the mains, I was getting interference/cancelation of certain frequencies so I found myself having to bump up the center channel by +1.5db to easily hear dialogue after Audyssey did it's thing pre-acoustic treatment. After installing the panels (5 in the back directly behind the main couch and one off the only reflective side wall, which is pretty far away so honestly it's more for decoration and aesthetics) I re-ran Audyssey. This was the first time I've not had to adjust any of the channels from the auto-calibration result (other than disabling the midrange compensation via the MultEQ app).
I should add this is my third Denon AVR (4400, 4500 and now 3800) and this is the first one I've ever been happy with the Audyssey results. With the first two receivers I ran Audyssey and then when toggling back and forth I preferred the unaltered sound to the Audyssey result, likely because I didn't have the MultEQ app back then and couldn't disable the midrange comp, I only recently bought the app along with the 3800). All were running as pre-pro, with external amps. That's the other thing I would recommend for any Denon owner. Spend the $20 and buy the MultEQ app for your iPad or tablet if you ever plan to run Audyssey. I can't wait until DIRAC is enabled in March via firmware.