Nick Martin
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James Horner. The film composer that most love to hate.
The endless accusations of 'self-plagiarism', That unfunny nickname bestowed upon Horner,"Anvil Clanker".
To be sure, this is FAR from the only forum online where criticizing Horner's music is almost a game, but there are those out there, like myself, that truly love his music, and none of the hatred will ever change that, at least for me.
The internet is a terrible place sometimes, because the anonymity we all share has overshadowed basic decency. We can all be complete jerks who throw insults at each other for the most insignificant reasons, just because we live secure in the knowledge that those who are on the receiving end of those insults won't come around and knock our teeth out because of it.
It's truly refreshing whenever I read calm, respectful threads about subjects that inspire the most intense of rants, and that is what I hope to start here.
I might as well begin with a few reasons as to why I'm not like most of you, some are film music lovers, some just casual movie fans, but who share your hatred of Horner.
I love his music, because I don't have a lot of joy in my life, and Horner has excelled at creating truly emotional highs and lows, that for me extend beyond the film. I love all film music, but collecting soundtracks (at least in Canada) is an expensive little hobby, and therefore I buy Horner's albums, but enjoy anyone's music within a film.
In terms of the whole 'self-plagiarism' issue, I never have any negative reaction to it, I just accept it.
There are many theories about this issue, if you know where to look, and each of them are different, but equally valid. Just because I may recognize a melody,or other element doesn't make it bad-If I enjoyed it before, I enjoy it now, as well as the subtle changes made to it.
I don't like comparing composers. I just enjoy what was created for a particular film, and I don't bother with the idea that if (insert composer's name here)scored this film or that film, I won't like it.
It wasn't even Horner's music that turned my ears on to film music to begin with- It was David Arnold's music for ID4, a film that, although generally disliked, was praised for its score, which seems to have its initial inspiration taken from Horner's main theme for Legends Of The Fall. I even have the 2 CD-R 'Complete' score album of ID4
Anyway, I just wanted to know, where does your hatred for this man's music come from? Is it peer pressure of sorts- giving in to the majority? What exactly do you dislike? When did you first say,"I don't like this"?
It's interesting that Horner is so often bashed, but is never out of work, regardless of the kinds of films, or their successes. "Troy", "Bobby Jones, Stroke Of Genius", "The Forgotten", those are his upcoming films, proving that regardless of what any of us has to say, love or hate, James Horner is a proven success.
Any fair, respectful comments/questions/answers to my questions are welcome.
P.S. I'm not stupid enough to think I can change your minds about this subject. I just want honest, intelligent reasons for all the hate. I can't change your minds and get you to like his music, just as you can't get me to hate it.
The endless accusations of 'self-plagiarism', That unfunny nickname bestowed upon Horner,"Anvil Clanker".
To be sure, this is FAR from the only forum online where criticizing Horner's music is almost a game, but there are those out there, like myself, that truly love his music, and none of the hatred will ever change that, at least for me.
The internet is a terrible place sometimes, because the anonymity we all share has overshadowed basic decency. We can all be complete jerks who throw insults at each other for the most insignificant reasons, just because we live secure in the knowledge that those who are on the receiving end of those insults won't come around and knock our teeth out because of it.
It's truly refreshing whenever I read calm, respectful threads about subjects that inspire the most intense of rants, and that is what I hope to start here.
I might as well begin with a few reasons as to why I'm not like most of you, some are film music lovers, some just casual movie fans, but who share your hatred of Horner.
I love his music, because I don't have a lot of joy in my life, and Horner has excelled at creating truly emotional highs and lows, that for me extend beyond the film. I love all film music, but collecting soundtracks (at least in Canada) is an expensive little hobby, and therefore I buy Horner's albums, but enjoy anyone's music within a film.
In terms of the whole 'self-plagiarism' issue, I never have any negative reaction to it, I just accept it.
There are many theories about this issue, if you know where to look, and each of them are different, but equally valid. Just because I may recognize a melody,or other element doesn't make it bad-If I enjoyed it before, I enjoy it now, as well as the subtle changes made to it.
I don't like comparing composers. I just enjoy what was created for a particular film, and I don't bother with the idea that if (insert composer's name here)scored this film or that film, I won't like it.
It wasn't even Horner's music that turned my ears on to film music to begin with- It was David Arnold's music for ID4, a film that, although generally disliked, was praised for its score, which seems to have its initial inspiration taken from Horner's main theme for Legends Of The Fall. I even have the 2 CD-R 'Complete' score album of ID4
Anyway, I just wanted to know, where does your hatred for this man's music come from? Is it peer pressure of sorts- giving in to the majority? What exactly do you dislike? When did you first say,"I don't like this"?
It's interesting that Horner is so often bashed, but is never out of work, regardless of the kinds of films, or their successes. "Troy", "Bobby Jones, Stroke Of Genius", "The Forgotten", those are his upcoming films, proving that regardless of what any of us has to say, love or hate, James Horner is a proven success.
Any fair, respectful comments/questions/answers to my questions are welcome.
P.S. I'm not stupid enough to think I can change your minds about this subject. I just want honest, intelligent reasons for all the hate. I can't change your minds and get you to like his music, just as you can't get me to hate it.