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Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Duncan Reno, Sep 10, 2002.
Interesting article re-formatting for Imax. Could this affect OAR for future releases?
Unlikely, since this is only done for IMAX I refuse to see them given that they're all P&S
Read the .sig! Do you really want to financially support MAR in any form?
IMax doesn't replace OAR... it is just an alternative and unique viewing experience that many people seem to enjoy. Battles like this make me want to distance myself from the fanatical OAR crowd. Aren't there far more relevant and useful bones to pick?
No, of course he's not. I haven't read how much involvement the respective DP's have - for all I know IMAX is consulting them heavily. Still, it boils down to this: Do I see a cropped version of the movie in IMAX, which (assuming the DMR process is half as good as they claim) is hands-down the greatest way to see a movie, or do I deny myself that because I'm holding the shape of the picture more sacred than the people who made the movie? Sure, if you insist on framing the discussion in absolutes with no room for compromise, you shouldn't go see these new versions. I just can't justify denying myself what looks like a great moviegoing experience on these grounds.
Size and detail does not negate composition. They could have made these prints matted to preserve OAR. I guess when some people watch a big screen they feel it needs to be filled. That sounds kind of familiar.
Looks like Jeff and I were posting at the same time:
I'm going to go with the "MAR is MAR" crowd. To think otherwise is to ecourage a decisions to be made as to what is an "acceptable" amount of cropping. If we ask for that line to be drawn, we may not like where it ends up. For those willing to give a bit on this, I have to ask at what point would the cropping get to you? For those people begging for DVDs that fill their screen, 45% cropping doesn't cross that line, but would 65%, or 70%? If the OAR crowd is not going to draw the line at no cropping and manipulation, then where are they going to draw the line?
Well, I'm not interested in drawing a line; I'm a consumer, not a crusader. I just want to see a movie, and I'll decide whether the trade-off is worth it on a case-by-case basis. For IMAX, I'll grit my teeth and bear it. For DVD, I won't.
IMO Had the film been originally composed, or at least protected for the ratio, agreed to and DONE BY the DP and director, I don't consider it MAR. Lucas prefers the 70mm framing on SW, Coppola with his Storraro-crack induced Univisium stuff. HOWEVER Lucas had no plans to bring Episode 2 to a 1.44:1 ratio at ANY point in production. AND it's going to look horrific. It's either going to be a beehive of video noise and film grain, or it's going to be DVNRd to death either way, bleh!
IMHO, you are very thoughtfully and intelligently stating a rational position that I hold to also. Stick to your guns!
I gave up countering OAR-at-any-cost on this forum some time ago when I discovered the forum title meant "Home Theater OAR Software" instead of "Home Theater Software" - as it reads!
Rationalize - to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives. "well, I really DO believe in OAR, but I want the pretty colors so let me talk myself into why it's okay in this particular instance. It's a -really- big screen!"