I'm going NUTS!!!!

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  1. FrankL

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    I think I am suffering from information overload. If I go on one web site, its all Mitsubishi, every thing else
    ( except Pioneer) falls well below that in quality and features. Then I go to another site and its all Hitachi or Toshiba and Mitsubishi sucks. I have a Mitsubishi 65311 on order for the basement.I still have about two weeks to change my mind. I will probably be watching regular analog cable the most along with DVDs. ( I have the Panisonic rp82 progressive scan). I got a great deal on the TV ($2400) however I'm sure I could also get a great price on Toshiba or Hitachi since the sales manager is a close friend. ( by the way, He sells them all except Pioneer and he says to go with the Mitsubishi)I probably wont get the TV calibrated because of the cost.
    I know alot of you pros don't like to answer posts like this but I could really use some help here. Am I making a mistake with the Mits? I've heard that regular cable looks like @#$% on these. Oh, I'm sitting about 11 feet away
    Any help or recommendations would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks
    Frank
     
  2. Juan_R

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    The Toshiba or the Hitachi will do a better job with anolog signals than the Mits. The Mits might be better in DVD quality though, and you are going to have to get rid of the red push on the Mits. Good luck on what ever you decide.
     
  3. Chris Shelly

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    yeah I hear you,

    I just ordered a Toshiba 57HDX82 to be delivered tomorrow. At first all I could find is how wonderful this TV is. Now after I bought it all I find is how horrible it is. I am taking it with a grain of salt. I think they are all better then anything from a few years ago and that people are just being very picky. I also think different sites are tend to have members who favor certain brands. Bottom line is they are all pretty good now days.

    Chris
     
  4. Jack Briggs

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    Once calibrated—and I mean a genuine service-menu calibration—all these sets will perform nicely. So, if you're going to be spending this much on an RPTV, you really should consider an ISF-level calibration. I mean, it's an investment. You want that TV to perform to the best of its abilities, don't you?
     
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    Don't pass up the ISF callibration. If you can't spare for it, get a cheaper set and an ISF callibration. It will look better than a uncallibrated Mitsubishi or even pioneer elite. A Pannasonic 53WX42 is only about $1600 or so now and I'm sure you can get it for much less if your friend sels it. Add $500 for an ISF and you have a better picture than the Mitsubishi for much less $$$.

    From what I have heard, nearly all the main brands look very close when fully callibrated. It's just out of the box that it varries so much between quality. Ask some of the ISF guys around here if they look that much different when fully callibrated. They have seen it all and can give you better info.
     
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    I have thought about having this done after my set is broken in. How much do they charge for an ISF calibration?

    Chris
     
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    Depends on what you want done and who does it. Budget at least $400 for RPTV's, they can go as high as $700 or more. Anything leftover can buy you some DVD's to enjoy.
     
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    Thanks for the input. Will a calibration make regular analog cable look good? Or is that a product of garbage in garbage out. Does anyone know of an ISF calibrator in the Detroit area?
     
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    Tell me why the sets can't come with a manual to ISF calibrate? Do they have to open up the set to calibrate it corretly? How come sets don't come much better calibrated out of the box?
    Not to fire all the ISF guys, but $400-800 is a chunk of change that I'm sure some people would be willing to pay at the time of their TV set if it was calibrated much better so it wouldn't need an ISF.
    -ELmO[​IMG]
     
  10. Ric Easton

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    I hear you. When I finally make the purchase, the wife is not gonna want to hear... "OK, honey, now I gotta pay a guy to come over and 'fix' it... Should only be another 500.00 or so..."

    Ric
     
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    Well, consider that VCR's come with owners manuals and most people can't program them. I don't think it would be a good idea to have people messing around in their 1500+ dollar RPTV's. No one says you have to get an ISF, but you will if you want to get the most out of it.
     
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    Until such as the OEMs begin providing well-made sets that offer at least one viewing mode where they are putting out a genuine D6,500-true picture as well as having all the other crucial performance areas set correctly (convergence, focus, overscan, etc.), then there will be a need for professional calibrationists.

    It's the way things are. And the more expensive the set ...
     
  13. BruceSpielbauer

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    All of the sets you mentioned are great sets, once calibrated by a good ISF pro.

    All of the sets you mentioned have their strengths, and all have their weaknesses. Some of those strengths may especially appeal to YOU. Some of those weaknesses may be so critical that they become a deal-killer -- for YOU.

    The trick is to narrow it to those sets which have many strengths, and very few weaknesses. I believe you have done that part.

    Next, the trick is find the set which has those strengths which are especially important to you, and yet also has very few of the weaknesses which matter a lot to you.

    IF you have the set professionally calibrated, and the calibrator knows his stuff, any of these sets will look terrific.

    Some of those listed have better stretch modes (but even that becomes subjective... I like the stretch mode on my Mits, while I have seen others trash it. And yes, I considered the Toshiba). Some of the sets have red push (actually a lot of them do). Mine had a lot -- but I found that out, and also found out that it could be defeated. Some of the sets do an upconversion auomatically with DVDs, to view a 480 signal in 520. Some people like that. Some people hate it. Some of the sets listed have better line doublers. Some have had issues with ghosting, some with lousy built-in audio, some with poor quality control. Some have cabinets which I consider horrible, while you consider them a thing of beauty. Some look horrible out of the box, and great a month later. Some look great out of the box, but horrible once you turn down the contrast.

    Some sets have global settings, while others allow you to tweak for every separate component and input device. Some have better remotes. Some have better sound. To one person, these issues may be important. To another, those built-in speakers may never get used, so who cares?

    Bottom line: There is no best set. There is only a best set for you.

    And, again, if you budget $400 to $700 for an ISF calibration, and hire this pro carefully, ANY of the sets you listed will look good. And, any of them will look very, very close to any of the others if they have also been calibrated (which will be a definite improvement over any of the sets non-calibrated).

    -Bruce in Chi-Town
     
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    Sets don't look that good out of the box because of cost. Most people don't get their sets calibrated, so why would a company spend money doing it; most consumers don't even notice! To make them look that good out-of-box would cost a ton of money and see little ROI.

    Pioneer Elites look much better oob than most other sets. So do Runcos. And they also cost a truckload more than other sets. There are certainly have other bonues as well, but I assure you, it's cheaper in the long run that way it is.

    For DVD/HD sources with the right player, and calibrated, for the price, Mits is the one to go with imo. The 540p conversion and removal of the design menu (though the ADDR menu can do everythig, anyway) bothers me on the new Toshibas.

    Almost any HD-ready set you can buy is a pretty nice TV though.

    I own a Toshiba, myself. The lack of zooming on progressive scan was a serious issue to me, 2.5 yrs ago.
     
  16. Chris Shelly

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    WOW....$400 to $800...ouch

    I would still like to get it done eventually but its going to be a while.

    Chris
     
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