IGN Film Force Top 25's

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  1. ZacharyTait

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  2. Robert Anthony

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    That animation list PAINS me. Not that I ever really trusted the IGN staff in the first place, but "Grave of the Fireflies" only one spot above TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE? C'mon now. I love the Transformers, but that movie is horrid. It really is. I owned it for a long time out of pure nostalgia, but I sold it once I tried to watch it separated from my nostalgia and couldn't make it through, it's just a shoddy piece of work.

    Pinnochio in the low 20's? Final Fantasy showing up at all? No representation of Bakshi? Bluth? no Ninja Scroll or Vampire Hunter D? James and the Giant Peach shows up nowhere? The Fleischer Supermans? South Park in the top 3? I love that movie to death, but to include it in the top 10 of all animated movies of all time?

    Yikes.

    Their Drama list is a lot more like it. Their animation list is just bad. It's a good thing Ernest Rister isn't hanging around anymore--I think that list would have gave him an anuerysm.
     
  3. Ocean Phoenix

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    Maybe you'd feel better if you thought of it as a list of the best animated films out of "most popular" and "most famous" ones, as well as a few chosen for "historical significance". I've heard of every movie on the list, even though I haven't seen many of them, but have never heard of any of those movies that you listed that I've quoted, and a lot of others probably haven't heard of them either.
     
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    The animation list is pathetic, even when held to the mainstream theory. Little consideration was given to foreign works, but to put Final Fantasy on there over something like say, Akira (arguably, still the most mainstream anime film to date), just doesn't even begin to make sense. I continue to despise IGN's film department. They're almost as consistently worthless as Blockbuster video.
     
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    Bah, the inclusion of Shrek just about nulls the list altogether. Yuck. [​IMG]
     
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    Animation: I didn't care for the list as a ranking at all, but as a selection of the 25 top animated movies of all time - sure, there are some shameful omissions and inclusions - I enjoyed reading it. I wish they would have presented it as such.

    Drama: a little too broad, I thought. And only two foreign films? I didn't care for this list. But maybe we shouldn't expect Sight and Sound from FilmForce.

    That said, I look forward to the eleven other lists.
     
  7. Adam_S

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    Normally I'm not too critical of lists, but that animation one is a doozy, it's okay as a selection (excepting final fantasy) but the ordering is about the worst of any best of list I've ever seen, but then it's an internet list put together by 25-35 pro-nerd males, so it reflects that taste rather than a more balanced perspective of great animation. Good variety, but more hip-centric than I'd like. (basically I can't stand they ranked Bambi Pinocchio, Fantasia, Beauty and the Beast and Spirited Away so low!)

    The Drama list is interesting, but some of their rankings are quite low, some seem to be included 'just cause' it's a famous title (I find the Gone with the Wind ranking especially surprising considering who is voting, I wouldn't have seen it appealing to guys that have probably avoided or been burned by evil and despicable women like Scarlett all their lives). On the other hand, the Drama list shows the impact DVD has made on taste and that they do have a relatively sophisticated vocabularly of an outstanding variety of films. I wouldn't expect them to include snoozefests like Tarkovsky or Antonioni that imo have little appeal outside of elite cache.
     
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    25. Final Fantasy
    24. Pinocchio
    23. Bambi
    22. Mononoke Hime
    21. Fantasia
    20. Monsters Inc
    19. Metropolis
    18. Charlotte's Web
    17. Transformers the Movie
    16. Grave of the Fireflies
    15. Dumbo
    14. Shrek
    13. Lion King
    12. Toy Story
    11. Little Mermaid
    10. Beauty and the Beast
    09. Aladdin
    08. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
    07. Incredibles
    06. Spirited Away
    05. Nightmare Before Christmas
    04. Finding Nemo
    03. South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut
    02. Iron Giant
    01. Toy Story 2


    Here's how I think these twenty five films should be ranked I don't expect anyone else to agree with me, but I'd like to see other HTFers lists for the animation. [​IMG]

    01. Bambi - best animation ever.
    02. Beauty and the Beast - perfection
    03. Fantasia
    04. Spirited Away
    05. Grave of the Fireflies
    06. Monsters Inc.
    07. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
    08. The Lion King
    09. The Incredibles
    10. Pinocchio
    11. Iron Giant
    12. Toy Story 2
    13. Finding Nemo
    14. Little Mermaid
    15. Aladdin
    16. Nightmare Before Christmas
    17. Southpark Bigger Longer and Uncut
    18. Mononoke Hime
    19. Shrek
    20. Toy Story
    21. Dumbo
    22. Charlotte's Web
    23. Metropolis
    24. Transformer's the movie
    25. Final Fantasy the Spirits within.

    I'd dump Dumbo Charlotte's web, metropolis, Transformers and final fantasy for Lady and the Tramp, Cinderella, Kiki's Delivery Service, Akira, and Ghost in a Shell, most of which would be ranked higher.
     
  9. Ocean Phoenix

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    I don't understand why people like Kiki's Delivery Service. It was the first Miyazaki film that I saw, and it almost put me off anime for good. The other movies of his that I've seen since (Castle In The Sky and The Castle Of Cagliostro) are much MUCH better, and if I made a list of the best animated movies, they'd both be high on it. I'm not disappointed in them not being on the IGN list, though. They're not as well-known as the others, so it would be unrealistic to expect them to be there.
     
  10. Cory H.

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    Out of sheer respect to a groundbreaking medium, "Toy Story" deserves to be placed above it's sequel, if not in the Top 5. Definately over "South Park".

    But, afterall, this is the opinion of video gamers were taking into consideration, here.
     
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    I agree, that list is a farce.

    And Ocean, you've heard of Miyazaki but have never heard of Vampire Hunter D, Ninja Scroll, or Ralph Bakshi? [​IMG]



    Anyone who has any interest in animation should be familiar with these titles and people. If you haven't heard of them, you really should invest time in changing that. Great stuff there. I'd also like to add Macross Plus, Record of Lodoss War, Jin-Roh, and the Wings of Honneamise as omissions.
     
  12. Sean Campbell

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    I find it particularly bothersome that 'Bambi'
    and 'Pinocchio' ( both of which should be in the top 5 )rank lower than the highly overrated 'Beauty & The Beast' and 'South Park'. And where is 'My Neighbour Totoro', which is quite possibly the finest animated movie ever made? A poor list put together by those who aren't particularly interested in animation methinks.

    My personal top 10

    1) My Neighbour Totoro
    2) Bambi
    3) Fantasia
    4) Kiki's Delivery Service
    5) Pinocchio
    6) The Secret of NIMH
    7) Spirited Away
    8) Grave of the Fireflies
    9) Pom Poko
    10 ) Animal Farm

    Bubbling under: 'Porco Rosso', 'The Last Unicorn', 'Kirikou & The Sorceress', 'Dumbo', 'Barefoot Gen', 'Watership Down', 'The Iron Giant', 'Princess Mononoke'
     
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    Where's Heavy Metal in the animated movie list. That is a travesty that it wasn't listed at all.
     
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    The inclusion of Final Fantasy the Spirits Within nullifies this list for me. That film was horrible. Animation is more than just pretty pictures.
     
  15. Sean Campbell

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    I see that with the exception of 'Snow White & The Seven Dwarves', every film in the animation top 10 was made after 1990, and several of them were productions made within the past 5 years. I think this clearly proves the list was a memory test more than anything else!
     
  16. Ocean Phoenix

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    I'm surprised by all the hate towards Final Fantasy. I never saw it, but I always assumed that it was a good movie that just didn't do well at the box office because its appeal was limited to a niche sci-fi audience rather than the general public (like Serenity, for example).
     
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    no it was also bad scifi with poor matches of voices to characters and unexpressive dull characters. the scifi might have been good if the characters weren't all inscrutable ciphers that occasionally burst into a random actiony scene.

    It's a bad movie.
     
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    I also would have included Watership Down or The Plague Dogs.
     
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    no Akira means that list is not only worng but irrelevant to me.
     
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