If Indy Colts move to L.A., shouldn't the Ravens become the Colts?

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  1. KeithH

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    There is talk on espn.go.com about the Indianapolis Colts possibly moving to Los Angeles. If it happens, I vote for the Baltimore Ravens to become the Balitmore Colts, complete with the traditional Colts uniforms. The new team in Los Angeles could get a new name or just go with Ravens. Anyway, I'm sure it wouldn't happen, but I would love to see a Baltimore Colts team again.
    Here is the link to the story about a possible move of the Colts franchise on espn.go.com:
    http://www.espn.go.com/chrismortense...2/1430810.html
     
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    It's an interesting idea. I like the way that Cleveland retained the Browns nickname when Modell moved his team to Baltimore. The NFL could make a rule that any franchise relocation could require the franchise to leave the nickname with the vacated city. I still think "Colts" every time I see Baltimore in the standings.

    However, the new Houston team chose to pass up the Oilers nickname, even though it was once again available after Tennessee changed its name to the Titans. It was nice that the new Houston owner asked Lamar Hunt for permission to use the Texans nickname (the Kansas City Chiefs used to be the Dallas Texans).
     
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    IMHO the BALTIMORE Colts left on a Mayflower moving van. It took Md a long time to get past this and move on. Now they have a (snicker) team (snicker) that they can back.


    Go Skins!!

    Bill
     
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    I think I read once that when the Browns moved to Baltimore and left their hearts, I mean, name in Cleveland, they (or someone) asked about naming the team the Colts but Indianapolis declined. I don't know if that was true but it would have been a good idea.

    I still can't get used to the idea of a team called the "St. Louis Rams". Seems to me the Cardinals should have switched names when they moved so the Rams could have become the Cardinals.
     
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    Now there's an idea:
    Indianapolis Colts become the Los Angeles Rams
    St. Louis Rams become the St. Louis Cardinals
    Baltimore Ravens become the Baltimore Colts
    I like that! [​IMG] As for the Ravens, who needs them? [​IMG]
     
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    The Utah Jazz becomes the Utah Hornets, since Charlotte is moving to New Orleans. Eh! Eh! What do you think?
    ...and the Mets revert to either the Dodgers or Giants. Take your pick. [​IMG]
     
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    How about the Baltimore Rough Riders and the LA Roughriders. [​IMG]
     
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    Marvin,
    I forgot about the Arizona team. [​IMG] The Arizona Cardinals are somewhat invisible anyway. [​IMG] O.K., so Arizona Ravens it is.
    John,
    Nah, the Mets are O.K. There is some tradition there. All those losses in '62. The Amazin's in '69. The Miracle Mets in '86. We'll leave the Mets as is. Besides, some baseball fans in Los Angeles and San Francisco might have something to say about it.
     
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    If I remember correctly when the Browns moved to Baltimore they asked the Colts if they could work out an arrangement so they could become the Baltimore Colts. Old man Irsay asked for $25 million. Needless to say that asking price led to the birth of the Baltimore Ravens [​IMG] .
     
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    If I remember correctly, when Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, as part of the other owners agreeing to allow him to move, they FORCED him to give up the name "Browns" as part of the package deal. Not sure if he tried to retain the name "Colts" for his new franchise in Baltimore, but I know he was forced to give up the name as part of the deal. Actually, Ravens works rather well for Baltimore as it's Edgar Allen Poe's hometown and of course we all know a certain short story he is famous for...but I agree Baltimore Colts is more classy and recognized.

    As for the Colts moving to LA, could happen, but the Irsay family owns the rights to the team nickname and I doubt they give that up for nothing. So the previous story referenced could have some credence. I bet he keeps the name "Colts" even if he moved to LA.
     
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    Seth pretty much summed it up - my feelings almost exactly.
    I'm a former resident of Indy myself - I always went to as many Colts games as possible (I even had road trips where some friends and I drove to Kansas City, Miami, and Tennesee for away games!).
    I don't particulary care for the RCA Dome - I just like the more traditional outdoor stadiums - and I wish they could get one built there in Indy for the Colts. That being said - The Dome is a good stadium - It's very "serviceable" at the least.
    Heck...I even supported the Indianapolis Ice (IHL team) for 3-4 years [​IMG]
    I hope they do not move...I am a huge INDY Colts fan. I would bet that there is at least a 60% chance they do head to LA though...but man I hope I'm wrong!
     
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    As much as relocating teams sometimes leads to strange sounding names ("Utah Jazz") or linked team names being separated (the two "Cardinals"-es, for instance, though I'm sure glad Boston doesn't have to deal with having both "Braves" and "Redskins" for team names), I'm pretty sure I don't like the idea of moving "in-use" names around.

    Doesn't that just make the name completely arbitrary and remove it of any meaning? Sure, it's only football, which is both the most anonymous of major league sports in America (partly by design) and the most transient - not only do franchises move willy-nilly, but there's not as much connection to previous generations as other sports have. Renaming the team in Baltimore the "Colts" would just be false nostalgia, though not as disingenuous as it would be in baseball or basketball. I just don't see the point; besides, it would be an essentially meaningless move to the younger generation of fans who think Indianapolis when someone says "Colts".

    Of course, it would also spur a whole bunch of new jersey and memorabelia sales, and don't think that hasn't entered into everyone's mind.

    Interestingly enough, there's precedent for this (to an extent) right in Baltimore. The Baltimore Orioles which were one of the six original American League teams are not the same Orioles that play there now; the original Orioles packed up shop after a year or two and moved to New York, becoming the Yankees; when a new team was placed/moved to Baltimore later, they took the vacant "Orioles" nickname.
     
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