If BOSE is the "aspire to" brand of J6P, who is the "aspire to" brand of HTF?

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  1. Tom Rags

    Tom Rags Supporting Actor

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    I've been meaning to ask this question for some time. If you ask any common newbie who is semi-interested in HT what their "dream system" is, most will answer "BOSE." Hell, I was one of them back in the day before I became informed. We are all aware of BOSE and their marketing, displays, prices (high prices = perceived value), but this thread is not to debate the merits (or lack there-of) of BOSE.
    Instead, what brand holds the esteem from our community as being the "dreamy" kind of system? (perhaps just out of your reach in terms of money...I don't think I'm talking about a $20,000 system here).
    Manufacturers such as Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo, H/K, etc come to mind as well as SVS, Paradigm, Polk, etc as reputable brands. However, most of these brands tend to be focused on just one aspect (receivers, subs, etc). Is there one all encompassing brand that consistently creates a product that is universally loved and lusted after? I have had trouble finding what my "ultimate attainable dream system" is now that I am no longer part of the ignorant mass.
    What are your thoughts? [​IMG]
    --Tom
     
  2. BryanZ

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    I don't think so. Quite honestly, I do not want one company to make everything under the sun. They become too generalized and lose site of quality and customer focus. I'm quite happy with my SVS/nOrh/Outlaw/Panasonic (tv & dvd)/Technics/Toshiba combo.

    My ultimate achievable dream system is two separate systems, one for HT and the other for music. In any event, knowing what I know now, the systems would end up being $10,000 and $6,000 respectively, and even then they wouldn't be the best out there but they would put a lot of systems to shame.

    Each person knows what they like. For example, I do not care for Klipsch. Other people love their sound. I enjoy the nOrh sound and looks. Others can't get past the looks.

    In the end, my 'ultimate attainable dream system' becomes closer to reality every time that I upgrade a piece of equipment. My feelings are if you go slow you will eventually end up with what you want.
     
  3. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Well,
    Since I allready have the speakers I love.. I know I would
    stick with the same company [​IMG]
    My Dream Attainable System would be as follows:
    NEC 61" Widescreen Plasma (it's only 28K)
    Onkyo DS989 THX Ultra Receiver
    DVD Player... I dunno...
    CD Player: Sony ES 300 disk changer and I would like to try
    the AH Tojeb! worked over Marantz
    Seperate amps... Something Tube.. Just wanna try them out..
    If I didn't like them I would go with something Solid State.
    Speakers.. I would try AR's Phantoms just to see how I liked
    them mounted on the walls beside that 61" Plasma.. If I didn't
    care for them then I would just go back to my AR9's
    My dream system isn't all that "dreamy" with exception to the
    Monitor choice... I would just like to experiment with some
    Tube stuff for the hell of it.. If only someone would "lend"
    me a pair of 100wpc x 2 Tube Amps [​IMG]
     
  4. Mike Witt

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    Mark Levinson, Meridian, Theta, Krell....and $20,000 is just a starting point...
     
  5. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Mike,
    I beleive the key word was "attainable"
    I for one, no matter how good it sounds or
    no matter how well they are hyped, would ever
    spend more on an audio system than I spend on
    cars.. (And I spend a ton on cars)
    [​IMG]
    It would be nice to drop a hundred k on an audio
    system and then just to balance things out drop
    a cool mill on a Mercedes CLK GT-R *Slap* and then
    I woke up.. ARGH! [​IMG]
     
  6. Mike Witt

    Mike Witt Stunt Coordinator

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    Why "aspire to" something that I CAN attain. The poster stated things that are "perhaps just out of your reach in terms of money". My list applies in this context.
     
  7. KeithH

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    Brett,
    I have two Sony ES 300-disc megachangers (CDP-CX333ES from last year, but discontinued), and they are quite good. If you haven't done so already, take a look at the current CDP-M333ES and CDP-M555ES 400-disc models.
    I also have an Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CD player. With upgraded tubes (I am currently using Siemens 7308s), it is an incredible CD player for the price.
    Tom,
    People here seem to love Denon receivers. It's hard to disparage the AVR-4802 or AVR-5800 and get away with it. SVS subs fall in that category too. [​IMG]
     
  8. Mike Witt

    Mike Witt Stunt Coordinator

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    ...BTW, it makes me slightly ill to mention those brands in the same thread that has Bose mentioned in it...yech...
     
  9. John Morris

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    Hmmm. right now this would include:

    A dedicated Home Theater with at least:

    DWIN FP and Transcanner

    Aerial 10Ts - 7 of them

    SVS SS - 2 of them

    Parasound HCA-3500 amps - 5 of them

    Lexicon MC-12B
     
  10. Todd Hochard

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    John hit on it. Since this is the HTF, shouldn't we be aspiring to video first? I've noticed that for many people here, good video is just out of their reach, so they forget about it, and focus on audio only. A shame, really.

    My nearly attainable dream:

    Seleco 300HT w/ 92" wide Stewart Greyhawk

    Step up to the 4802, with B&W Nautilus all around

    Add a couple more subs (two SVS, or perhaps 2 M&Ks instead)

    -and, lastly, the hard part-

    a larger home, with dedicated space for all this.

    It's the last part that I'm stuck on. Too risky right now, with me working in the Semiconductor biz, ya know.

    I'm fairly satisfied with what I have:

    Elite 510, Denon AVR-3300, DCM Time Window speakers, M&K sub.

    I can wait.

    Todd
     
  11. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Lexicon MC 12B

    Cinepro 3K6III(already have)

    Triad Platinum In room LCR

    Triad Gold surrounds(2 pairs)

    SVS SS subwoofers(2)

    Crown K2 amplifer for subs.

    Sherbourne 1/300 mono amp for one of the surrounds.

    DVD player: Panasonic RP91

    Video:

    Sony LCD projector

    Greyhawk screen
     
  12. Drew Eckhardt

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    Dunlavys seem to fit the bill for what I want in a loudspeaker, are currently available for 33% off drop shipped to your front door, and a set of SC-III mains with a SC-IAV center are _real_ tempting.

    I'm very fond of my Lexicon DC-1 v4 DTS, but wouldn't mind upgrading to an MC-1 or the SHARC based MC-1 replacement.

    I'm pretty content with my Adcom bipolar stereo amps, although replacing them with something along the lines of an Bryston or at least Adcom FET could be nice.

    I'm much pickier about the audio end of things than video and haven't thought much about that end, although a decent CRT projector, perforated screen, and iSCAN are probably somewhere in the future.
     
  13. Tom Rags

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    Perhaps I should clarify my question...especially after reading countless threads (especially the current thread "What I hate more than BOSE")...

    It is clear that BOSE is the cadillac name of audio to J6P. I guess I am asking what is the cadillac name in audio (and video) to all of us?

    I run a very modest system compared to some, but it is the best I can afford at the moment (still a grad student, recently moved back home with the 'rents, etc): SONY STR-DE475, BIC America 43 and V44 speakers [5 matching](BTW, these are highly underrated budget speakers), SONY SAMW40 sub, RCA 26" TV, SONY PS2 (DVD), RS 15-1994 remote. --I'm only in a 10x12' room, this is more than enough for me right now.

    When I buy a house in a year or two, I fully plan on upgrading the equipment and creating a dedicated HT. I have been surfing HTF for years (only recently joined earlier this year), and I learned much from these boards during my education process.

    I guess to answer my own question, DENON and SVS would be to HTF as BOSE is to J6P, since I've hardly ever seen any negative posts on this equipment (or these names) on these boards.

    What do you guys think? What name is our "top of the line" in nearly attainable gear?
     
  14. KeithH

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    Brett, the only Ah! product available at present is the single-disc Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000. I don't see them modifying a megachanger with tubes. The Ah! player is marketed to audiophiles, and audiophiles for the most part show little to no interest in megachangers.

    As for sonics, the Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 beats megachangers hands-down. I am very happy with the Sony CDP-CX333ES megachangers because as megachangers go, they sound very good. I also love the flexibility and convenience of megachangers. However, megachangers generally are not suitable for critical listening. If I want to hear my system at its best, I am not going to use my megachangers. The megachangers are great for parties and for casual listening. If you want a blend of convenience and good sound, then get a Sony ES megachanger. If, however, you want an audiophile-quality CD player, look at the Ah! Njoe Tjoeb or any number of other single-disc players. Also consider the Sony ES SACD players, which function as very good CD players.
     
  15. Brett DiMichele

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    Keith,
    Bear with me on this...
    [RANT MODE ON] Supposed "Audiophiles" piss me off.. What
    real world justification can an audiophile have that keeps
    a company like AH from modifying a CD Jukebox like they do
    to the Njoe ? Is there some plausible theory as to why a
    single disk player is better? I find it very hard to swallow
    that a relatively dirt cheap single disk player has better
    construction than a megadisk which, dare I say is a far more
    complex piece of equipment.. If "Audiophiles would drop thier
    Tom Foolery Elitist Snob attitudes then perhaps this hobby
    could improve in both practicality and sound reproduction.
    Do you think that's possible? [/RANT MODE OFF]
    That being said, I have seen the internals of the Marantz CD
    player that the Njoe is based on and it's hardly a bullet
    proof case or transport. Basicly from what I understand is
    that Ah! takes said Marantz CD Player and replaces the stock
    power supply with a Torridol supply and replaces the stock
    Op/Amp with a Burr Brown unit? And a Tube is incorperated
    into the mix. So would it be plausible to buy the components
    and do this modification to any standard CD Player? I would
    guess it can be done by a semi experianced electronics guru.
    I just wonder where you could get all the parts at. It would
    almost require buying a Ah! Njoe to take apart and reverse
    engineer just to write down an ingredients list and hit the
    local electronics parts store.
    As much as I would love to have the Njoe, One disk makes it
    a permanent NO in my setup. I am glad that you are happy
    with the ES Megachangers because that may be one of my next
    upgrades. And since I won't buy an Njoe, I could then run a
    line out from the 333ES into a Forplay Linestage Tube Preamp
    and then into a good pair of seperates amps.. I would assume
    this should yeild at least equal if not better results than
    using an Njoe.
    What do you think?
    P.S here's a shot of the innards of the Ah! Tjoeb 99' courtesy
    of http://www.audioreview.com
     
  16. Karim Nogas

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    My dream would be to have B&W Nautilus (or is that Nautili?) all around. I'd be satisfied with the 802s for the mains at $12k CDN.

    But to get the most out of these I'd need some high-quality separates.. So in total probably about $30k CDN.

    But by that time HDTV will be in full swing so that means upgrading the display...

    And the story never finishes...
     
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    Lexicon MC-12 balanced
    Active Genelecs everywhere
    dual SVS SS w/ Crown K2 and parametric EQ [​IMG]
    Acoustically treated, dedicated HT room
    Runco projector
    huge Stewart screen
    Crestron remote system
    etc, etc.
     
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    J6 this and J_ that. Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is j6P and the other J whatever that is always refered to?
     
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