I don't know you but can you please raise my child

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  1. ZoranM

    ZoranM Stunt Coordinator

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    Ok I have a nice long rant here:

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    I have a question, why does McDonalds need to stop offering Super Sized meals? Oh wait I know, because some parents don't know how to say "no thank you" when they are asked if they would like their (or their kids) meals super sized. And then have the nerve to complain to McDonalds or the media on why their kids are big fat lazy slobs.

    Just like why some stores have decided to stop carrying certain video games. Because the same parents buy their 8 year old kid GTA:Vice City without actually taking the time to be a parent and looking at what they are buying. And then have the nerve to call the store or the media and complain about the types of games their kids are playing.

    Why is it that in a capitalist democratic society people who are running legal, profitable businesses are forced to bend over to raise some strangers kids, who can't be bothered to raise their kids themselves.

    And don't even get me started on parents who have the nerve to complain about what their kids see on the internet or on tv.

    And for those parents that fit under this rant who read this and say "Easy for you to say, you probably don't have kids".

    I have four children between the ages of 13 and 8. We go to McDonalds once every 2 weeks, we have internet acces throughout the house on 3 different computers, we have 3 xboxes and 1 PS2. We have Vice city, and whole crap load video games not suitable for small children (IMO). And almost 500 dvds.

    And none of my kids are fat, none of my kids use the internet without some form of supervision, none of my kids play or watch what I feel they shouldn't play or watch, and all of them are good in school and respectful of their peers and family.
    I didn't do anything radical in raising them, all I did was try my best to ensure they are raised properly by my wife and I, and not by strangers and the media.

    End Rant

    Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this and I would love to here any other views on this.

    cheers,

    Zoran
     
  2. Carl Miller

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    My goodness Zoran, you're actually expecting parents to say "no" to their kids. Have you lost your mind? [​IMG]
     
  3. ZoranM

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    I know, I know, I'm a radical...I hope that one day my kids can forgive me for the terrible third world restrictions and limitations I have placed on them.

    I mean god forbid I should tell my 10 year old son that Vice City isn't appropriate for him at his age.

    :)

    cheers,

    Zoran
     
  4. Jeffries Jones

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    Is this the result of an affluent, secular, and materialistic society?
     
  5. ZoranM

    ZoranM Stunt Coordinator

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    Actually I would say it is because of a society that has become one based on a lack of parental(and personal) accountability and culpability.

    Where when it comes down to personal faults, inadequacies, deficiencies and just plain bad judgement it has become easier to accuse everyone else around you of the problems that arise instead of actually looking at the problems for what they are and doing your best to find a solution best suited for you and your family.

    Again in this is only my opinion.

    cheers,

    Zoran
     
  6. MarkHastings

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    If it weren't for these kinds of parents (i.e. the ones who sue everyone else because they won't take responsibility for their own kids actions), internet porn wouldn't be locked behind Pay accounts [​IMG] Remember the times when you could view internet porn for free???

    The best thing to ever hit the market (in regards to people without kids) were those non-Child Proof caps on aspirin. I wish they'd come out with MORE of these types of things for those of us who have no need for child-proof stuff. (i.e. Those damn back seat car windows that only go half way down [​IMG])
     
  7. Malcolm R

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    No. It's the result of society becoming totally child-centric.
    • No one is allowed to say "no" to children without whispers of neglect or emotional abuse.
    • No one is allowed to discipline children without being arrested for assault.
    • Everyone is supposed to spend every waking moment feeding every child's ego and self-confidence until they are totally convinced beyond belief that, yes, the entire world DOES revolve around them and they don't have to work or save for anything but instead they're entitled to anything and everything just by simply asking for it.
    So because kids cannot be raised as kids anymore, but must always be treated as miniature adults, we have to create new restrictions for everyone, adults and children, in order to solve problems with child-rearing.
     
  8. ChrisMatson

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    That is what many parents think, but the reality is usually quite different. Kids are sneaky. I believe my parents raised me well, but I did many things without their knowledge that would not have made them happy.

    I wish you and your kids continued success. It sounds like you are doing a good job.

    As for why businesses stop some particular business model or refuse to carry certain items, it is usually because the market demands it. Is Walmart suffering because they don't carry certain books, movies or CDs? Is McDonalds going to lose more money (they are not expanding like they used to) by attempting to offer less food for the same price?

    What makes the world go 'round? Money.

    If you are upset with McDonalds, then don't give them your money--get a "biggie size" at Wendy's instead.
     
  9. ZoranM

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    I know what you mean Malcolm,

    I have friends who have children that come over and want to know why their kids are this way and that way, and what did we do to have such nice (knock on wood) well adjusted kids? But then 2 minutes later their child acts up or starts demanding ridiculous things (IMO) and they cave in and amuse them. And then some of them wonder why I won't allow my kids to hang around their kids unsupervised.


    On a side note if anyone has seen Finding Nemo I think the sea gulls say it best about the state of society in general "MINE...MINE...MINE".
     
  10. Jon_Are

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    I have an answer, because McDonalds believes that this action will be perceived by its customers as an act of good will and concern, and will therefore be good for business.

    Something I learned long ago: whenever you question why something is the way it is, the answer is probably related to money.

    Jon
     
  11. ZoranM

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    Actually I'm not upset at any corporations, and I know kids can be sneakier then any adult. (I know I was).

    I just feel (again IMO) that why should people have to cater their lives around other peoples problems (when that person won't even acknowledge there might be a problem). Why should my kid have to go to school with some brat who's parents can't be bothered to raise them properly.

    I know nobody is perfect, I know that everyone makes mistakes, I also know that when people start taking responsiblity for their actions and actual face the consequences (good or bad) of what they do in life that things would be alot better as a whole.

    And to go back to the internet access of kids, it's really easy to make sure they only use it when your around.
    1) leave the computer in a room where you can watch them
    2)lock up the puter when your not around
    3)disconnect/take/lockup the modem when your not around
    4)And most importantly raise kids you can trust

    Again this is all only my opinion.

    cheers,

    Zoran
     
  12. Jeffries Jones

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    I thought until the rise of middle-class society in the 19th century that children were treated as minature adults. After all, life was tough and children had to work.



    If this is the case, then what factors allow this society to evolve? Can affluence to blame here?
     
  13. BrianB

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    I've seen commentary that McDonalds are taking a whole bunch of stuff from their menus along with the supersize as means to reduce the complexity of their stock systems, tills & general supply chain, as well as cutting costs to them in the meantime.
     
  14. ZoranM

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    Jon, I agree and the McDonalds reference was merely an example, just like Walmart and it's video game policy. (I know that then they think they are percieved as morally right and will then receive more money from families).

    My point was why is it in general that we (as a society) allow people to constantly accuse and blame everything around them and never hold someone accountable for their actions? (short of an actual crime being commited)

    Do you know that if my son wants to drive a car he will need to study and pass a test and then even if he successfully completes the test he will be on probation for 2 years. If I want a gun I need to go through all sorts of hoops and test for a licence (rightly so). But any 2 jackasses with a womb and a hardon can have a child.
     
  15. ChrisMatson

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    ...and?

    Society has made it this far with all of these jackasses. The species will survive.
     
  16. ZoranM

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    What actions? Here is an example:

    An eight year old child burns down his families condominium, instead of the father (who the lighter belongs to) sues everyone around from the Fire department, to the city, to the lighter company.

    That maybe a judge says get the hell out of my court and maybe even considers bringing up charges against the father for not taking car of the frickin lighter in the first place.

    And please don't anyone tell me that an eight year old child doesn't know it's wrong to play with fire.
     
  17. ZoranM

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    Also of course the human race will survive, but since when is only survival important?

    What about social growth, what about helping society as a whole become better and more prosperous, what about thinking of more then just yourselves.
     
  18. MarkHastings

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    Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! Agreed!

    My parents didn't raise me to think alcohol was such an evil thing for kids. They even let me have a sip or two of wine with dinner. Once I got older, I was so used to alcohol that it didn't seem like any big deal when I turned 21 and never felt the need to go get drunk. I think a lot of bad behavior in kids is due to parents making it seem like such a "Taboo" and the more you hide something from a child, the more he/she is going to want to do it.

    Equal portions of understanding and trust will set a child on the right path.

    I see so many parents that use McDonalds as some sort of reward...Like "If you do all your chores, we'll go to McDonalds". It's this kind of association that leads to bad behavior. Holding back what a child considers a "Treat" or something he/she is interested in, will only cause overindulgence when they actually get their hand on it.
     
  19. ChrisMatson

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    I'm for that too--but "it takes a village to raise a child" and we are back to the beginning and title of your post.

    I am playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. I agree that, for the most part, individuals should take responsibility for their actions. I also believe that family, friends, the community and society should do all that is possible to help too. Sometimes an individual or business needs to be reminded of this fact when they fall short and market and sell dangerous products.

    As for the 8 year-old child, does he know all the ramifications of why he should not play with fire? Does he know that the fire will engulf the house within minutes? Does he know that taxes pay for the firefighters, that a firefighter may get injured or killed putting out the fire?

    Is it wrong to ask for a company to stop selling lighters that a child can easily use when an inexpensive child-resistant lighter is available?
     
  20. ZoranM

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    Actually Chris, you make very valid points. I too play devils advocate many times even when I agree to some of the points being laid out by the "other side" I don't think it's possible to have a good healthy debate without that.

    I even agree with "it takes a village to raise a child" but I still feel that how can the only the village be expected to raise a child when the parents don't raise the child? It's not a perfect world and alot of people who become parents don't necessarily even want to be parents, but I still feel that we need to start holding parents responsible for the way they raise their children.



    those are all valid questions, I personally feel that it's the parents responsiblity to teach those things. If the 8 year old didn't know these things then the parent should be held responsible. Which is also why I don't feel they should be able to sue anyone.

    Anyway this is shaping up to be a pretty valid discussion and I'm curious to see where it ends up. (who know maybe all of societies problems will be solved in the "HTF forums")

    cheers,

    Zoran
     

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