man. there is a moral to this story. i went to microcenter the other day to buy parts to build a computer. nothing extra special just a decently fast computer build for a friend that does taxes on the side. well first they sold me a used duron instead of a mobile athlon 2500. keep in mind the used duron was INSIDE of the mobile athlon box. so i had to beg and plead with them to exchange it. after i wouldn't budge on the matter they exchanged it but with the caveat that they are going to flag my account. well after all of that i get home and start assembling. i get the motherboard in the box with the video card, ram, and processor. i hook it up to see if it posts and all i get are annoying bios beeps. i check, recheck and check all of the connections and i can not find anything wrong. so back to microcenter i go with what i think is a bad motherboard. all i bring are the motherboard, ram and video card because, imo, there is no way a brand new processor out of the box can be bad. well they get the motherboard to post and i am furious. microcenter is an hour away from my house. that is two hours round trip! they look at me like i am stupid although i have probably been building computers longer that some of them have been alive. well anyway, i go home with my tail between my legs thinking that i must have missed something. i get home and start from scratch. DAMN! Same problem. So at this point I am at my wits end and say frak it i am going back. this time i take everything. when i get back there they tell me that it is going to be an $85 diagnostic fee to check the system with the parts that i just bought from them two days ago. I talk to their tech/system support again. All the while they are talking down to me. but i keep my patience. so what it came down to was that we narrowed down everything but the case. so i bought another case and rebuilt the computer right there at the store much to the chagrin of store managers. at one point they asked me to leave to which i responded "i live an hour away from here and i refuse to leave without a computer that will not P.O.S.T.". after i debated with them for a minute i asked for 10 minutes to finish. they agreed. i rebuilt it right there and it posted. low and behold it was the &&*(@#@[email protected][email protected]% case! i spent two days of my life and many miles on my car for a damn case on a computer build that i probably won't even get paid for. i was pissed. morals of the story: 1. don't even look past the smallest of details when running into computer problems. 2. smack the bastards in tech support when they talk down to you about something that you know is right.