Other than telling me my work stinks. That I already know . I need to know how to make it look....smoother, or more pro looking. I'm trying to come up with a new site design that I plan on sticking with for the next few years, and I don't seem to be making any headway... I was promised an HTML class in a VC course I took a few years ago, but that hack of a school didn't even get online access untill we left, so that was a wasted opportunity. Now I'm back at square one. The new test site is at http://www.ninjaturtlesnetwork.com/test.htm . Right now I'm just toying around with menu designs. The original, of course, can be spotted at the base address. Thanks for any help..