Directors HTF Scorecard - The Results

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  1. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    HTF Scorecard Results

    Once again here's the formula

    weighted rank (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C

    R = mean average = Rating
    v = number of votes for the movie = votes
    m = minimum votes required (14 = 54% of the votes)
    C = the mean vote for all the films (7.04)

    1,214 films polled of which 676 films met the minimum required votes (14).

    Here we go

    Top 100 Films

    1Rear Window 8.44
    2Psycho 8.35
    3Casablanca 8.32
    4Vertigo 8.32
    5Empire Strikes Back, The 8.27
    6Godfather, The 8.25
    7Raiders of the Lost Ark 8.25
    8Third Man, The 8.24
    9Unforgiven (1992)8.23
    10Rashômon 8.22
    11Goodfellas 8.20
    12M 8.20
    13Bridge on the River Kwai, The 8.19
    14Jaws 8.19
    15Dr. Strangelove 8.17
    16Star Wars 8.17
    17Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The8.16
    18Seven Samurai 8.15
    19Metropolis (1927) 8.15
    20Rebecca 8.13
    21Godfather: Part II, The 8.07
    22North by Northwest 8.07
    23LOTR: The Return of the King8.05
    24Citizen Kane 8.04
    25Mr. Smith Goes to Washington 8.02
    26Sullivan's Travels 8.02
    27Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 8.02
    28Double Indemnity 8.02
    29Boot, Das 8.02
    30Silence of the Lambs, The 7.99
    31L.A. Confidential 7.99
    32Paths of Glory 7.99
    33Aguirre: The Wrath of God 7.99
    34Throne of Blood 7.98
    352001: A Space Odyssey 7.96
    36It's a Wonderful Life 7.96
    37Shadow of a Doubt 7.95
    38Wizard of Oz, The 7.94
    39LOTR: The Two Towers 7.94
    40Shawshank Redemption, The 7.94
    41Passion of Joan of Arc, The 7.92
    42Lawrence of Arabia 7.91
    43High Noon 7.91
    44To Kill a Mockingbird 7.91
    45Seventh Seal, The 7.90
    46Gold Rush, The 7.89
    47Toy Story 7.89
    48Apocalypse Now 7.88
    49Notorious 7.88
    50Chinatown 7.88
    51Modern Times 7.86
    52Toy Story 2 7.86
    53Once Upon a Time in the West 7.86
    54Schindler's List 7.85
    55Spirited Away 7.85
    56Alien 7.84
    5712 Angry Men 7.83
    58Trouble in Paradise 7.81
    59Die Hard 7.79
    60Aliens 7.78
    61Apartment, The 7.78
    62Memento 7.78
    63Road Warrior7.77
    64Finding Nemo 7.77
    65Maltese Falcon, The 7.75
    66Night of the Hunter, The 7.75
    67Some Like It Hot 7.75
    68Treasure of the Sierra Madre 7.74
    69Stalag 17 7.74
    70Wild Strawberries 7.74
    71It Happened One Night 7.74
    72Strangers on a Train 7.74
    73My Man Godfrey (1936) 7.72
    74LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring7.71
    75Terminator 2: Judgment Day 7.71
    76General, The 7.71
    77Kill Bill: Vol. 1 7.71
    78Monty Python and the Holy Grail7.70
    79Christmas Story, A 7.70
    80Ran 7.69
    81Thing, The (1982) 7.67
    82E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial7.66
    83Terminator, The 7.66
    84Blade Runner 7.66
    85Grand Illusion, The 7.66
    868½ 7.65
    87King Kong (1933) 7.64
    88Patton 7.64
    89Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan 7.64
    90Adventures of Robin Hood, The 7.64
    91Lady Vanishes, The 7.64
    9239 Steps, The 7.63
    93Great Expectations (1946) 7.63
    94Thin Man, The 7.62
    95Singin' in the Rain 7.62
    96Yojimbo 7.61
    97Bringing Up Baby 7.60
    98Hard-Boiled 7.60
    99Princess Bride, The 7.59
    100Fargo 7.59


    I'll be back later with more stats
     
  2. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Thanks for your hard work Jim.

    It's an interesting (and not too surprising) list. Naturally I'm disappointed by the placement of The Apartment (and of course baffled by any vote less than 10 for it [​IMG]), but at least there are only 6 films above it that I would classify as not truly great, and those are still good films.
     
  3. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Jim,

    I hope you can post the mean rankings by themselves. Frankly, I'm a bit baffled as to how to interpret your formula. It appears that if everyone voted for a given film and gave it a 10, that the weighted rank would be 8.964, so I'm not really sure what that means. Could you explain the WR index in laymen's terms? Thanks.
     
  4. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    In laymens terms the Weighted Rank formula places importance on the number of people voting.

    Mean Rating
    Film A = scores an 8.40 (15 total votes)
    Film B = scores an 8.40 (25 total votes)

    WR formula
    Film A = 7.74
    Film B = 7.91

    I'll post up the Mean Ratings in a few days.

    For the time being here's some stats on the voters

    Top 3 Most Generous Voters by average (Movie Lovers Award)
    1. Walter (7.86)
    2. Nick (7.58)
    3. SteveGon (7.56)

    Top 3 Least Generous Voters (Scrooge Award)
    1. John Wilson (5.99)
    2. ErikG (6.47)
    3. george Kaplan (6.53)

    Most 10's given
    1. george = 228
    2. John Wilson = 227
    3. Nick = 120

    Most 10's by percentage of votes
    1. george = 33%
    2. John Wilson = 25%
    3. Rob PS = 17%

    Least 10's given
    1. tie Brett = 5
    tie John Thomas = 5
    3. Brad = 21

    Least 10's given by percentage of votes
    1. John Thomas (0.7%)
    2. Brett (2%)
    3. Brad (3.5%)

    Most 0's Given
    1. John Wilson = 69
    2. George = 25
    3. ErikG = 20

    Most 0's Given by percentage
    1. John Wilson (7.6%)
    2. george (3.6%)
    3. ErikG (2.9%)

    Least 0's Given (none)
    Walter
    Simon
    Nick
    Matt
    Lew
    John Thomas
    Dome
    Brett

    Top 3 Voters Most films seen (Old Fart Awards)
    1. Bill McA (94%) - get a life bub! [​IMG] :p)
    2. Jim_K (84%) [​IMG] ack! I should talk.
    3. tie - SteveGon (81%)
    tie - Justin (81%)

    Top 3 Voters Least films seen (I'm guessing you're all very young)
    1. Rob PS (14%)
    2. Brett (20%)
    3. Phillip G (31%)
     
  5. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    More stats

    Films everyone has seen (100% of the vote)

    Gladiator
    Batman (1989)
    Ferris Bueller's Day Off
    Airplane!
    Back to the Future
    Ghostbusters
    Sixth Sense, The
    Saving Private Ryan
    Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    Fargo
    E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
    Terminator, The
    Lord of the Rings, The: The Fellowship of the Ring
    Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    Die Hard
    Alien
    Toy Story
    Wizard of Oz, The
    Silence of the Lambs, The


    The film nobody has seen (1 vote)

    Man Who Laughs, The
     
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    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    Top 20 Foreign Language Films (Silents excluded)

    1. Rashômon
    2. M
    3. Boot, Das
    4. Aguirre: The Wrath of God
    5. Throne of Blood
    6. Seventh Seal, The
    7. Spirited Away
    8. Wild Strawberries
    9. Ran
    10. Grand Illusion, The
    11. 8½
    12. Yojimbo
    13. Hard-Boiled
    14. Hidden Fortress, The
    15. Bicycle Thief, The
    16. Kwaidan
    17. Princess Mononoke
    18. In the Mood for Love
    19. Suspiria
    20. Grave of the Fireflies


    The average rating for Foreign Language Films = 7.44
    The Average for all films = 7.04

    here's some voter stats on Foreign Language Films

    If it has subtitles they will love it Award (j/k) [​IMG]
    1. Lew (8.71)
    2. Walter (8.60)
    3. Arman (8.55)

    If they wanted to read they'd pick up a book Award
    1. John Wilson (3.90)
    2. LukeB (5.29)
    3. george (5.30)

    I'll be back later with more stats
     
  7. MartinTeller

    MartinTeller Screenwriter

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    Yep, voter stats are pretty much what I expected, especially with John W and George being among the most extreme voters and the most anti-foreign.

    I was going to do some stats on which voters were closest/furthest from my own tastes, but it was starting to look like way too much work.

    Keep this stuff coming, Jim! And thanks for all your work on it!
     
  8. SteveGon

    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    Jim, I thought you'd seen this?

    Anyway, a good, if unsurprising list. Kudos for all the hard work.

    Wow, I'm a generous voter? [​IMG] FWIW, I rate films according to that maxim Roger Ebert's always quoting: "It's not what it's about, it's how it's about it."
     
  9. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    Top 20 Comedies

    1. Dr. Strangelove
    2. Sullivan's Travels
    3. Gold Rush, The
    4. Modern Times
    5. Trouble in Paradise
    6. Some Like It Hot
    7. It Happened One Night
    8. My Man Godfrey (1936)
    9. General, The
    10. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
    11. Bringing Up Baby
    12. Princess Bride, The
    13. Sting, The
    14. Arsenic and Old Lace
    15. Smiles of a Summer Night
    16. Punch-Drunk Love
    17. Lady Eve, The
    18. Life of Brian
    19. Mr. Hulot's Holiday
    20. Harvey


    The average score for Comedy Films = 6.93

    Comedy Lovers Award
    1. Dome (7.79)
    2. Matt (7.58)
    3. Brett (7.51)

    Get a sense of humor Award
    1. Jim_K (5.83) :b
    2. Arman (5.97)
    3. tie Justin (5.99)
    tie ErikG (5.99)

    I have to say this surprised me a little. There are only a handful of Comedies (funny or not) that I'd consider to be great films. I do view the majority of Comedies (especially over the last 20 years) as empty calories.

    Looks like I've uncovered a little bias on my part.


    Be back later with more
     
  10. Jim_K

    Jim_K Executive Producer

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    I have & mine was the only vote. You abstained on that one - post #1029 [​IMG]
     
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    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    So I did. Duh, must have been a brain fart. I would have given it an 8, not that it would have mattered.
     
  12. MartinTeller

    MartinTeller Screenwriter

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    The two biggest surprises for me this poll were

    1) Justin has seen so many non-horror movies, and furthermore actually doesn't necessarily hate films without any pain and suffering in them

    2) George not getting a "comedy lovers award". How'd that happen?
     
  13. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    I'm a bit confused about the comedy list. The Apartment finished overall higher than most of the comedies that made the comedy list, but it's not in the top 20 comedies?
     
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    This was fun, thanks for running it to the end, Jim.

    Interesting stats, I had a feeling I might have been one of the more generous voters. I really thought Pulp Fiction would have cracked the Top 100.
     
  15. PhilipG

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    Well, I've seen 51% of the "Top 100", and that ain't bad. [​IMG]

    Actually, I think it's more indicative of the fact that I avoid many of the so-called "classics", and can't afford to buy too many Criterion titles. Or maybe it's because I'm from England, and my country has a different bias on what makes a "classic" (I was amazed at how many of you abstained on my nominations). Oh yes, and I abstained on quite a few titles I'd not seen for a while. But very young?!! How dare you! Waahhhhhhhhh![/Baby Hermann]

    Oh, I've seen 4 of the "Top 20" comedies. Which I find most amusing.*cough*crazy-American-sense-of-humour*cough*

    As for the other categories, I seem to be distinctly average... Not sure how I should interpret that. [​IMG]
     
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    Ditto for Seven Samurai on the foreign list.
     
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    MartinTeller Screenwriter

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    I've seen 81 of the top 100. There's several more that I'll be viewing in the next month or two.

    It's too late to vote, but FWIW I'd give Robin Hood a 7.
     
  18. Dome Vongvises

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    Excellent work, Jim_K.
     
  19. Jim_K

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    No offense meant Phillip. I should have considered that you're from across the pond & the different assortment of films available. BTW I consider anyone under 30 to be very young. [​IMG]



    Films that are multi-genre such as Comedy/Drama have been segregated into one or the other category.

    Since I didn't laugh once when watching The Apartment :p) , I dumped it into the Drama category.

    Sorry for any confusion this caused. [​IMG]

    Top 20 Horror Films


    1. Jaws
    2. Rosemary's Baby
    3. Dawn of the Dead
    4. Frankenstein (1931)
    5. Kwaidan
    6. Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror (1922)
    7. Halloween
    8. Shining, The
    9. Suspiria
    10. Texas Chain Saw Massacre, The (1974)
    11. Bride of Frankenstein
    12. Night of the Living Dead (1968)
    13. Sixth Sense, The
    14. Eraserhead
    15. Carrie
    16. Mummy, The (1932)
    17. Dead Ringers
    18. Omen, The
    19. Carnival of Souls (1962)
    20. Creature From the Black Lagoon


    Average score for Horror Films = 6.88

    Horror Lover Award (Stay away from my family)
    1. Justin (8.38)
    2. Walter (7.69)
    3. Bill McA (7.66)

    Weak Stomach Award (I'd wager they sleep with the lights on [​IMG] )
    1. John Wilson (3.14)
    2. george (4.03)
    3. Adam (5.83)

    Back with more later
     
  20. Walter Kittel

    Walter Kittel Producer

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    Not too surprised at some of the rankings. Particularly my overall level of generosity. [​IMG] By their inclusion, most of the films in this poll had something that someone found worthwhile, and it is only rarely that I can't find some aspect of a film enjoyable. Even films that are uniformly slammed can have some redeeming aspects ( production design, score, etc. ) in my mind.

    Thanks for all the work on this Jim.

    - Walter 'the indiscriminate viewer' [​IMG]
     

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