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DVD Review HTF REVIEW: The Great Muppet Caper, 50th Anniversary Edition

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    The Great Muppet Caper

    50th Anniversary Edition

    Studio:Buena Vista (DVD Release) Year:1981 RunTime:98 minutes Rating:G Aspect Ratio:16x9 encoded 1.85:1 (OAR) & 4x3 encoded 1.33:1 (P/S) on same disc Audio:5.1 DD English, French SpecialFeatures:Pepe Presents: Miss Piggy Profile—The diva who would not be denied ReleaseDate:November 29, 2005





    NOTE:

    Both The Muppet Movie & The Great Muppet Caper are “sister” DVD releases in that they mirror one another on most technical points such as image quality, sound quality, bonus feature, and in how they each compare to their corresponding Columbia Tristar DVD editions. For this reason, there’s much redundancy between my reviews of these two titles, so bear that in mind and don’t think that I just got lazy when, upon reading, you say to yourself, “Hey, this sounds almost the same as that other Muppet DVD review…”. The Muppet Movie review can be found here:

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=245939




    The Muppet Caper...


    The Great Muppet Caper is perhaps the best of all the Muppet films and it’s one that never fails to elicit unfettered fits of laughter whenever I see it. Henson and his team gained confidence in themselves and in audiences’ ability to “get” their wacky sense of humor from the success of their first Muppet Movie, and they really hit their stride with Caper. The Satires become even more subversive, the punch-lines even more shameless, the action better paced. The result is an Austin-Powers-esque comedy that most laugh-friendly viewers can’t help but enjoy. The spoof on Ester Williams ranks in the top 10 most brilliant devices in all of movie history. I DARE you not to laugh when you watch it. SLAPP! (the sound of a bet hitting the table) [​IMG]

    You disagree? Hiiiiyaaahh!!!



    Picture...


    I’m sure that those of you with the Columbia Tristar DVD editions of The Great Muppet Caper (and The Muppet Movie) are really hopeful that the new Disney DVD edition might improve the inconsistent, and generally poor image quality of the previous disc. I’ve done some careful A/B comparing back and forth between the two versions and I think I’ve got a good handle on what’s different and what’s the same:

    The image is a little better.

    Columbia Tristar DVD Comparison:

    It appears to my eyes that this DVD is sourced from the EXACT same print as the previous edition…I’d go so far as to say the exact-same film-tape transfer. In My opinion, the subtle (but appreciable) improvement I see follows the “My Fair Lady” methodology: a new DVD edition that does a better job with compression making a less digital, more analog looking result from the same film-tape transfer.

    Colors look identical. Black-level, contrast, and film-grain are exactly the same…scenes that were clean in the previous DVD are clean on this edition, and scenes that were grainy in the previous edition are grainy here. The difference is where the older DVD looked “noisy” in an electronic, digital-sort-of-way, the new disc looks “grainy” more like a film. Fine object detail is also marginally improved, which impresses me.

    I suspect that viewers with displays 27 inches or less, and/or those viewing from greater than 2 screen-widths, might not find the improvement in the image of the new disc noticeable; Those with large-screen displays (those viewing from closer than 1.75 screen widths) might appreciate the subtle, but meaningful, improvement in digital mastering.


    Image Description:

    I had been hoping that Disney might uncover a better print of The Great Muppet Caper to source a new film-tape-transfer. I’m disappointed that no better print could be found (I’m assuming…however my curiosity was raised by better-quality scenes edited into the bonus item…see farther below) as the elements for this transfer (just like the previous Columbia DVD) are inconsistent. And while some scenes are clean and natural, others look excessively grainy in a way that doesn’t seem to serve any artistic desire on the part of the director (this isn’t Cameron trying to give a gritty look/feel to his Alien encounter here). Contrast is a bit flat, and the image rarely dips into deep blacks or vivid brights…and basically lacks dynamic range (though colors do appear reasonably vivid when they need to be). Again, let me repeat that this is the nature of the film source and not the fault of poor digital mastering (which is handled quite well). Image detail isn’t Fifth-Element sharp, but it’s marginally more detailed than the previous disc and the image has a generally natural, film-like presence that’s refreshing to view. Colors are properly saturated and satisfyingly bold when appropriate. And allow me to praise Buena Vista regarding the lack of any distracting edge-ringing from over-applied EE.


    Image Quality Summary:

    Ok…so looks to my eyes that it’s got the same “film problems” of the original DVD, minus the “digital problems”. That makes this disc more comfortable on the eyes on my 106” screen, but how significant the improvement is in your own viewing environment may vary. I’d use the “My Fair Lady” DVD editions to be your guide…if you found that the newer DVD edition of that title brought an improvement in image quality to your system, then you’ll probably find a similar increase in image quality with Disney’s edition of The Great Muppet Caper.


    Better Film Elements Do Exist??? The Great Muppet Film-Elements Caper:

    I noticed that on the included bonus “Piggy Profile” there were some included scenes from various Muppet films…including this one. What really took me by surprise was how good those particular shots looked in the bonus feature compared their appearance in the actual feature program. For instance, there’s a scene where Piggy first enters the doorway of Lady Holliday and poses with her back leaning up against the door. In the film this particular shot looks somewhat dirty, with lots of film grain, and has a somewhat dark contrast balance. However, in this snippet on the bonus feature the image is clean of all grain, looks reasonably sharp/detailed (without any artificial looking EE) and has the appearance of coming from an earlier-generation film-source than the print used for the DVD transfer (I double checked the P/S feature on the DVD to see what it looked like and it appeared identical to the WS presentation sans the L/R picture information...so these clips in the bonus features weren't just pulled from the P/S transfer used for the DVD).

    There were *several* film clips like this in the Piggy Profile…all of them seeming to come from some “mystery” higher-quality film source, though they were all presented in 4x3 P/S. So what does this mean? I doubt Disney would have taken the time to carefully digitally clean them for such a little bonus featurette like this, and they didn’t look “processed”…so that gives me hope that there may as yet be higher quality (earlier generation) source material that can one day be used for a decent Hi-def transfer for this movie other than grainy and inconsistent print used for this (and Columbia’s) DVD.



    Picture Quality: 3.5 / 5

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    Rating Rationale...

    In the past I think I've been too ambiguous with my scoring or at least haven't applied it consistently from title to title, so I've endeavored to define my rating system more clearly to help make the scoring more meaningful (for all titles reviewed December 2004 and later):

    Rating Key:

    SCORE Description 1-2 An absolute abomination. Hurts to watch. Think "Outland" (scan-line aliasing, chroma noise, dotcrawl)-- truly horrid. 2-3 Has some serious problems, but one can at least watch it without getting a headache despite all the problems though you might try to talk your guests into picking a different movie to watch if you have a large projection screen. Think Cold Mountain. 3-4 Good or at least "acceptable" on a big-screen, but not winning any awards and definitely room for improvement if you view the image wide-angle (though smaller-screen viewers may be quite content). Think the first extended cut of Fellowship of the Ring...decent picture but still some HF filtering and some edge-halos. 4-5 A reference picture that really makes the most of the DVD medium and shows extraordinary transparency to the film-source elements. Non-videophile observers can't help but remark "WOW". Think The Empire Strikes Back or the Fifth Element Superbit (full “5” would be sans EE) or the new Toy Story 10th Anniversary Edition.



    Viewing Equipment:
    Currently running DVDs on my OPPO DVD player (Faroudja deinterlacing) which scales to 720P, feeding my BenQ 8700+ PJ via DVI, projecting onto a 106” 16x9 Dalite HiPower screen, viewed from approximately 1.6 screen-widths distance. Well mastered DVDs produce a stunningly film-like image in this scenario, and lesser-mastered material quickly shows its flaws.






    Sound...



    Yes, it’s better than the audio on the Columbia Tristar DVD…but not by much. It sounds like the same mix, sourced from the same elements, but with more top-end preserved giving a more open (and slightly brighter) sound. This is welcome as the audio on the Columbia DVD was dull and lifeless…sounding almost muffled as if the top end had been filtered off in some misguided attempt at noise-reduction to reduce hiss. Curiously, I notice no distracting hiss in the audio on the new disc and, while not producing miracles, the increase in frequency response on the new disc does make the audio much more listenable. The Great Muppet Caper’s sound quality is a little better than that of The Muppet Movie, but that was also true when comparing the Columbia DVD versions as well.

    The audio, just like with The Muppet Movie, does not seem to have been “remixed” in any way from any source stems. Whether discrete music/dialogue/effects elements still exist I don’t know, but in any case they weren’t used here…the composite mix of the print/previous DVD edition has simply been presented with less high-frequency filtering so it sounds a little better than it did on the Columbia disc.

    As with the video, the limiting factor with the audio is the source material…this DVD seems to “let the audio through” to its best potential outside of a complete remixing from discrete stems. For those of you who don’t already own the Columbia DVD, the general character of the sound is “fat mono” despite the 5.1 encoding flag lighting up the LED display on your receiver. Audio dynamic range is compressed. Bass response is more or less nil. Let’s face it, this movie was mixed/mastered for early 80’s run-of-the-mill theaters and it sounds like it. While I will continue to harbor the dream that some day this movie will appear on a home-video format with the musical numbers remixed from the stereo master used for the LP soundtrack, rest assured that this DVD isn’t making the audio sound any worse than it did when it rumbled through theaters in 1981…

    Sound Quality: 3.5 / 5

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    Special Features...


    Let me rephrase: Special Feature.

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    Ok, get used to this “special feature” because you’ll see it on all four of the Muppet DVD releases (Only Muppet Christmas Carol offers more). We get a “Pepe Profile” which, in the case of the Muppet Caper, profiles Miss Piggy. It’s cute. It’s about 5 minutes long. It’s all you get. I don't think I'd be alone in saying that given the "50th Anniversary" status of this edition it would have been nice to have had a few more legitimate bonus features on this disc. A nice making-of documentary? A history of Piggy featurette? The same bonus material that was on the Columbia DVD???





    All Together...


    Disney has brought to DVD what looks to my eyes to be a superior digital mastering of the same print/film-tape transfer used for Columbia’s previous DVD edition. While the same film-print related anomalies remain (such as inconsistent film grain), the layer of digital haze that obscured low-level picture detail in the previous DVD has been removed in this Disney DVD, which may improve the viewing experience for big-screen/wide-angle viewers (it did for me). The audio mix still suffers from less-than-audiophile mixing/mastering practices for early 80’s theaters and sounds dated, with limited fidelity as a result. However, Disney’s presentation includes a brighter, more open-top end which goes a long way to making the mix, which sounded dull and lifeless on the Columbia DVD, come alive with more detail and presence on this 50th Anniversary edition. Extras, I mean the extra, is slim. The lack of bonus material and subtle improvement in AV quality make this a tough recommendation for those of you who already own the Columbia DVD. Let me be so bold as to suggest that this Disney DVD edition is recommended to anyone who:

    A. Doesn’t already have the Columbia DVD
    Or
    B. Finds themselves annoyed by the overly-dull audio on Columbia DVD and/or was satisfied that the newer My Fair Lady DVD brought an improvement in AV quality that would have made that particular upgrade worthwhile.

    The Great Muppet Caper is perhaps the best of all the Muppet movies, and is a treasure that any Muppet fan or lover of shameless satire ought to own. Do you keep contented with your Columbia DVD, buy this somewhat improved DVD, or wait to see if Disney does it justice on Blu-ray? That’s the question you’ll need to answer!


    RECOMMENDED for first-time purchase
     
  2. CameronMcC

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    thanks...i feel let down by disney....i'll stay with what i have.
     
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    Did you take a look at the Full-Frame version that is included on the disc? Perhaps Disney put out for a new transfer of the FF but just ported over the existing transfer of the widescreen version. Just a thought.
     
  4. DaViD Boulet

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    Mark,

    good question and I should have addressed that in the review (the same thought had occured to me). I *did* check the P/S version to see if it appeared to use a better source...and it appeard to be identical to the WS versio in terms of film grain and every other video facet. In fact, on my 16x9 screen, the P/S version looked just like watching the 16x9 WS version with the L/R sides blacked out...identical.

    So these clips in the bonus feature do appear to be sourced from some other film elements...at least that's what I'm assuming based on my cursory experiment...
     
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    Funny, I was just watching a preview for these discs on the DuckTales release and Disney boasts something along the lines of: "For the first time, beautifully remastered from original elements!", or something like that. Dissapointment. I'd like to see DVDBeaver's video comparisson before making up my mind definitively, but the way it sounds, I'll almost certainly be passing.
     
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    be sure to post back if/when dvdbeaver does their comparison...
     

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