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Reggie:

I doubt that you'll get much reaction at all. Everyone can put their own two films together and make their own grindhouse double feature. And truth be known, often grindhouse theatres showed an 'A' feature (well after its initial run was over) along with a B film. Thus if someone wants the grindhouse experience, realize that it is a varied experience depending upon the theatre and even the part of the country you were from.

The only thing you might hear about (and I think is legitimate) is that someone may want on DVD the exact films that were presented on the big screen i.e. the same movies at the same length etc. I must admit there is a lot to be said for extended or director's cuts, but not at the expense of the original release. That said, I never saw the original releases so don't have a viewpoint.


Ah yes, the good old days. ;) It seems that you and Joe Corey were no strangers to what was going on.

Truth be told, the grindhouse period on 42nd street in NYC was more the 60's into the early 70's. The period ended, for the most part, with Deep Throat, with most of these theatres going to porn and porn with live sex shows for a while ... then back to porn through most of the 80's, at least those that were still open.

The few theatres STILL showing 'legitimate' films were more likely showing Martial Arts films like Shaw Brothers stuff or blaxploitation, sexploitation or horror films. So you could see FOXY BROWN released with COFFEY or SCREAM BLACULA SCREAM released with BLACULA or NAUGHTY STEWARDESSES playing with one of the many Russ Meyer films.

Speaking only for the Northeast, films cited by Tarantino such as DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY and GONE IN SIXTY SECONDS ... these were not grindhouse films upon first release. These films had legitimate and extensive first run releases, not something that you had to go to a grindhouse to see. So, if they showed up at a grindhouse it was on later release. That's why these prints would be scratchy.

Probably the best view of that grindhouse period can be viewed in the film MIDNIGHT COWBOY where the section between 42nd street and 8th Ave. is pretty well covered and a decent number of street scenes of the theatres are shown including many of the films playing and listed on theatre marquees at that moment in time.

Of course, what Tarantino CAN'T show (because it wouldn't be commercially viable) is the real grindhouse experience. I'm NOT talking about the seedy folks in the audience, I'm talking about the scum up on the projection booth. If you really wanted to see a 1st RUN B film in the 70's as it was originally intended by the filmmaker you had better get there in the first few days. Otherwise, the 'good' parts would be cut out by the projectionist for his own private collection. I'm not talking about missing reels, I'm talking about 20 seconds of film clipped off.
 

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Hey Neil Middlemiss, I just wanted to give you a finally shout out for the great review, can't wait to get the disc. the pendantic discussion about intent that it generated however is simply nauseating of the "George Lucas stole my childhood!" variety typically found in all the star wars threads, so I'm bowing out of this.

Look forward to your next review. :)
 

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Well first let me say that I do agree with Rich that they should provide the shorter cut of each film as I do think some people might prefer the shorter cut. I don't think making a film longer makes it better. In the case of Death Proof the film that is on dvd is the film that Tarantino intended prior to cutting it down to make the 'Grindhouse' cinema experience fit into a shorter time frame.

Jeff I don't know what the big deal is. They are two separate films that were put together to create a double bill in the cinema to create the feeling that you were sitting in a cinema back in the 70s. Part of the idea was that you had to go out to the cinema to get the proper feeling.

At home you can create a double bill whenever you want to with whatever films you want to. I've done it with friends plenty of times and I even have a dvd of old movie theatre ads to play before and between features. You don't need to have the two Grindhouse films on the same disc and it won't feel the same at home anyway. If you want the 90 minute cuts and the trailers I understand that but are you complaining it's not all on a single disc?

I'm not trying to make trouble and I let my feelings be known in my original post...I don't care about Planet Terror and don't want to see it again. I'm sure some people like Planet Terror more than Death Proof...I'm not saying anybody is wrong I just don't understand why there is such an outcry about them not packaging these two films together. I mean what's the big deal?
 

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I'm not complaining about anything as it's obvious now that Weinstein will release the proper version of GRINDHOUSE after these two separate releases. It's a given. So everyone can get what they want. You're the one saying that fans of the theatrical version (how this whole project was conceived by the way) should NEVER get what they want on DVD. That just seems a bit arrogant. You may feel you can't recreate the double-feature theatrical at home, but many of us DO feel we can and even moreso. And you even said you created your own fake double-features at home so you are being hypocritical if you're also saying GH at home is not a valid presentation.

I'm done discussing this - as many have said before, it's been debated (including myself) to DEATH and beyond in about two million threads already - and I'm sorry to jump in again and keep it going this time. I know the truth behind this project. Others think they do as well. Let everyone believe and prefer what they want to believe, but don't tell people they should NEVER get something that they want just because you don't understand or agree with it.
 

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what's annoying to me is not the cuts or that the films are split up. It's the lack of the 4 trailers on any of the DVD releases.

The trailers were better than either of the features. Harvey and Bob lost me buying these DVDs when they kept Thanksgiving in the vault.
 

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Easy Jeff, I was not saying people shouldn't get what they want. If they release the two films on separate dvds and you buy them both because you like them, you can create your own Grindhouse double feature at home...that was my point. If you own both films and if they stuck the trailers on the Planet Terror disc you could play it at home in the same way they played it at the cinema...you'd just have a longer cut of Death Proof...I just didn't get the big "I gotta buy them together!" thing. If you own the two movies and the trailers does it make a difference if you bought them all at the same time?
 

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OK, I see what your point was and that's fine. No, it wouldn't matter to me to buy them separately and connect them to recreate the theatrical version if that was possible. Unfortunately, these separate releases can not recreate the theatrical experience. Two of the best moments in the theatrical cut was the "missing reel" moments in both films. Those reels have now been restored (and I've seen the lap-dance and it reeks) so that's one pretty major difference. And the longer cuts would definitely drag the whole GH film down. From just over 3 hours, it would now be approaching 4 hours. Other small changes as GH only had one set of end-credits for the entire thing, not two separate films with their own credits, and would the orginal title "Grindhouse" still be at the beginning before PT, etc.? Anyway, this is all really a moot point since it appears the trailers are not included on these two first releases anyway so that pretty much ends any discussion of connecting these two discs to recreate the original GH.

And the reason the trailers aren't on these two is because they are holding them back for the theatrical release of GH on DVD - that way everyone will have to buy that release when it comes out, even if they've already bought these two. Good marketing and proof that all three variants will exist on DVD in due time and that's great. Oh, and I don't care if the GH disc ends up being on one or two discs - just be the authentic theatrical cut just as it was - no padded scenes and no flabby-bellied lap-dancers. :)
 

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:) I also thought that the actress could have cut down on saddling up to the the Twinkies bar before arriving on location. Oh well.

Jeff,

They may have put in a missing reel but certainly the film still has a missing reel, that cut coming with the woman holding herself and heading rapidly for the little girl's room.

Btw, Sure, missing reels occurred back in the day, but not enough to be anything of a big deal. What would really piss you off is when the order of reels was done incorrectly. Tarantino knows that too, but to be fair it ain't too smart to piss off your audience by doing that when you're trying to sell tickets. With a missed reel, it is closer to 'ignorance is bliss' so no big deal.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
 

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I don't care about buying them both at the same time, but I do care about the theatrical cuts of the films and the fake trailers, which are absent from the DVD releases.
 

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And you're bound to get that at some point in the future. Even if Tarantino is saying that Grindhouse is for the theaters only, does anyone actually believe that they won't ever try to make more money from the same product and call it 'giving the fans what they want'?
 

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I'm inclined to agree with you that it will be released, but then again, I thought the complete uncut Kill Bill would be released as well, and how long have we been waiting for that?
 

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Yes, Tarantino talks about that in the DVD extras. He mentions that the scene with McGraw was intended be his version of the psychologist scene in Psycho. In case you haven't watched the extras...
 

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wow simply loved this movie.

I thought it was the funniest movie I have seen in a while.

The first part was fantastic with all the innuendos to wind up Stuntman Mike and his definition of a "Death Car".

The black and white footage was simply wonderful until color started again. What I found interesting was the fact that you were always thrown off course what was going to happen next.

Kurt Russell is simply fantastic in his role as the Stuntman.

I thought that the revenge part played out really well and loved how Deathproof ended.
 

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As much as I hated the decision that they split up the movies , ive bought the extended death proof, and will be getting extended planet terror.There is no way im double dipping if they release it as grindhouse later on, even if it has the fake trailers.What would be cool, is if they released a dvd that has nothing but the fake trailers !They could charge 14.99 retail, and it would sell tons !But I doubt itll happen.
 

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I'm gonna try to finish this tonight, but quite frankly I was bored by all the talk after 30 minutes, and I put on the original version of 3:10 to yuma I got from Netflix. Now I don't mind Dialog, and Tarantino's Resevoir Dog's Had lon stretches of Dialog, but interesting Dialog, the Dialog here isn't great. I appreciate the style but not so much the substance.
 

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Awesome. I haven't, in fact, watched the extras, but it's nice to know I wasn't seeing something that wasn't there.
 

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At the moment, wherever I look when I go to read about Death Proof, there seems to be someone complaining that they're being forced to 'double dip' on DVD and that the only reason they're not seeing Grindhouse is because it flopped in US cinemas. Now while this latter statement is true if you're in the UK or Australia and waiting for the cinema release, it's definitely not true about the DVD release, nor is anyone being forced to 'double dip'.

Death Proof 'Extended' (a confusing term) is actually just Death Proof. You see, as Tarantino put it, he made Death Proof, Rodriguez made Planet Terror and together they made Grindhouse. Three separate entities.

Tarantino explained how the only reason he could cut his film down to 90 minutes for use in Grindhouse was because he knew that his longer cut would be the one that was going to be seen in most of the cinemas of the world (Grindhouse was never set for a worldwide release) and the one that was going to be released everywhere on DVD. He also added that while he was editing for Grindhouse he had to make sure that he was serving the experience of Grindhouse. Otherwise, he said, he simply would not have been able to lose the scenes he did.

So, to try and make this absolutely clear, and in contrast to the many misinformed reviewers and film commentators out there: The release of the longer, separate cut of Death Proof was not a 'studio' decision. It was nothing to do with Grindhouse being a failure in the US (except in the one or two countries that were originally set to get Grindhouse at their cinemas). It was planned from day one. The rest of the world, believe it or not, we're not that interested in Grindhouse and so Death Proof and Planet Terror is what was sold to them.

Read more from the Q&A session with Tarantino on my blog (if you care). It's very frustrating to hear so many people complain because they think they're being ripped off or something.
 

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John:

I think what I'm hearing is filmmaker's spin that you're repeating.

Did Tarantino release Death Proof anywhere at the same time of Grindhouse? Or did he just release Death Proof as an extended film when Grindhouse had a disappointing gate?

I was in France in July when Death Proof played in Paris. That's a long time from March.

Either way, the DVD is typical marketing response ... release as many versions as there are fools that will buy it. I don't blame anyone, that's just the way it is.

They could have:

A. Released one release with Grindhouse plus the two extended films.

B. Released two releases, both extended with Grindhouse on both.

C. Three releases. Two extended plus a separate Grindhouse release.

They chose 'C', 'If you build it, they will buy it' wins again.
 

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