HTF REVIEW: 2 new South Park DVDs: TIMMY/WINTER WONDERLAND

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    SOUTH PARK: TIMMY/WINTER WONDERLAND

    All South Park fans would expect -- somewhere in the
    context of this review, there will be a major gripe
    made about these two newest South Park compilation
    releases that are about to hit store shelves. But
    let's save the gripe for last.
    Back in 1997, "South Park" was just a buzz-word.
    I remember my co-workers endlessly talking about
    the show. Each week they urged me to at least
    watch one show. I finally broke down, and by the
    time I watched my first South Park episode on
    Comedy Central, I was a bonafide fan.
    Who would have predicted that a crudely animated
    cartoon about foul-mouthed 8 year olds would become
    a huge success? Any fan can tell you that the
    show's success rests firmly on the fact that the
    episodes are cleverly written, and go to all lengths
    to break the censor barriers. Even watching these
    two tapes today, I was shocked that some of this
    stuff had made it on television.
    Within a short time, South Park had taken the
    world by storm. People tuned in every week to
    see how Kenny would get killed, or to tap their
    feet to one of Chef's sultry songs. It became the
    show that adults loved, but parents feared their
    youngsters might be tuning in to watch.
    I actually stopped watching South Park about
    2-3 years ago when the DVDs started rolling out.
    All of the episodes I watched on these two new DVD
    release were first time viewings for me, so that added
    to the overall viewing experience.
    I immediately popped in TIMMY, a character
    I had heard so much about, but never saw. The disc
    has 4 episodes dedicated to the wheelchair bound
    retarded kid that does little more than squirm in
    his chair and call out his own name. The included
    episodes deal with Timmy becoming a rock star; going
    back in time; playing Hellen Keller in a musical;
    or pulling teeth out of Kenny's mouth with a rope
    tied to his wheelchair.
    It was so cool to see that the show had lost none
    of its touch since I last watched it years ago. In
    the episode, 4th Grade, I loved the new
    female 4th grade teacher whose breasts fall to
    the ground and has the neighborhood cats
    chasing after her. I was bawling when she lifted
    her arms and her shirt hiked up to reveal her nipples.
    This is just some of the most insane humor you will
    ever see that continually pushes the envelope.
    There's another great episode, The Tooth Fairy's
    Tats 2000, where the boys come upon a tooth-stealing
    ring headed up by a mafia kid that does dead-on
    impersonation and references from our favorite mob
    movies.
    You see, the writers at South Park always had
    their fingers on the pulse of what's recent and hot.
    There is always a celebrity to mock, or a recent
    news event or movie to parody.
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    I then popped in WINTER WONDERLAND, which
    is a bit uneven as far as quality South Park
    episodes, but nonetheless, very funny.
    It was great to see Mr. Hanky the Christmas Poo
    return in A Very Crappy Christmas. In this
    episode we meet his kids. They are all pieces of
    poop like their Dad. One son's name is CORNwallis,
    and the other has a peanut stuck in him. It's
    amazing how you look at this stuff and practically
    gag at it, but you laugh because of the insanity
    of it all.
    The rest of the episodes on Winter Wonderland
    are fairly good. Whether it's Cartman celebrating
    the fact that he is having his period or the boys
    putting together a rock band, there are always one
    or two really great gags that you go back into work
    the next day with and laugh about with your co-workers.
    HOW DO THEY LOOK?
    The discs look great. Colors are solid. Actually,
    this disc gets rave reviews because it was the first
    I watched on my new Toshiba 57" HD projection set.
    I was actually amazed how well animation looked on
    the television and I can't wait to see some Disney
    animation after this.
    The 2-channel stereo sound is very clear.
    NOW THE GRIPE....
    I stopped watching South Park on television when
    these DVDs started coming out. Everyone presumed
    that Warner Brothers in association with Rhino
    would continue releasing these DVDs in episode
    order season by season. This is how season one
    was essentially released.
    Comedy Central took over from Rhino, and that's
    when South Park fans in region 1 got the royal
    screw. Some genius over at Comedy Central
    decided that South Park should be released in
    BEST OF compilations. Episodes were taken totally
    out of order and thrown on theme discs. So far,
    four theme discs have been released, and with
    each announcement fans have expressed their anger.
    Nobody at Warner Brothers nor Comedy Central seems
    to really care about releasing this set respectfully
    to season order.
    Fans have several options. If you have a multi-region
    player you can buy the episodes being sold according
    to season overseas. You can also boycott these discs
    and send a message to Warner Brothers and Comedy
    Central. I think most people will just grin and
    bear it and buy these discs regardless. After all,
    there will probably be no other choice. Warner
    Brothers isn't being readily helpful in getting our
    message out to Comedy Central that we want South Park
    released in season order.
    If you do end up buying these two newest compilations,
    you won't be disappointed. I spent a good part of
    my evening laughing loud enough to have everyone
    in my house downstairs wondering what was going on.
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  2. Tom Ryan

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    Timmmayyyy!!!!!! South Park DVDs are great, but we want SEASON BOX SETS!!! Hear our cries, Warner and Comedy Central [​IMG]!!!
    -Tom
     
  3. Vince Maskeeper

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    Simply, I will not buy themed sets.
    I'm sure 50 people will post the same exact thing.
    If it isn't chronological order as the first 6 volumes, it will not be on my shelf. To be very clear, I own all 6 volumes originally released (and bought them on the day each 3 were released), I have bought none of the theme collections, and never will.
    I wonder why this is so hard for WB to understand.
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  4. Zack Scott

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    You know I'm probably the only one here who likes these single theme discs. I have a friend who just loved Timmy. He'd love a disc with nothing but Timmy. I actually enjoyed the first holiday themed disc that they did and now will probably buy this next one because of the boy band episode.
    My one gripe about season boxed sets is the fact that I have to plop down probably $100 bucks for probably two episodes that I like. I'm not buying the Star Trek TNG BOx set for just Unification. If it was released seperately I would be much happier.
     
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    I'm gonna "me too" what Vince said. I didn't buy the first 2 themed discs and I won't buy these 2.
     
  6. Jeffrey Forner

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    I stopped buying the South Park DVDs as well when the series shifted to themed discs. As much as I would like to have some of these episodes on DVD, I simply refuse to watch them unless I can have ever episode presented in the order in which it first aired.
    In the meantime, I'll continue to do what I've been doing for almost a year now... download the episodes over the Internet. Sure the quality doesn't nearly match what DVD offers, but at least I can have every episode in the correct order.
    And, Ron, if you think some of the humor in those episodes was raunchy, you need to check out some of the stuff they've done so far during their fifth season. All I will say is, "Red Rocket!"
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  7. Blu

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    Warner is very behind on the DVD learning curver for sure in lots of respects. Not sure but I think they have hired a kindergarten marketing research division (Probably the same one george lucas subscribes to in not releasing the trilogy)but on the other hand kindergartners can probably get a clue faster than WB! No Looney Toones, No classic films, horrible packages, ew....I just get so mad when I think of them!
     
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  9. Jeffrey Forner

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    Oh, Ric! Why do you have to taunt us like that?
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  10. Dan Brecher

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    Timaaaaah....
    Indeed, going against what I normaly do (buy region2) I am having to grab at the very least season4. In turn that will probably make me get em all. [​IMG] Since the "themed" discs came I sold my old comedy central R1s of seasons 1 & 2 in anger.
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    After the brain-dead performance by Warner at the recent chat, including attempting to pass the buck to Comedy Central (if that were true, why were the Rhino discs released right?), I just said screw you guys, I'm going home and buying the R2 discs. I'll just beef up the UK subsidiaries numbers at the expense of the WHV home office.
    No theme discs! Why is that so hard to understand????
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  12. John Berggren

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    Yet another reason to get a region free player. I didn't buy the first theme sets. I won't buy these theme sets. I won't buy any theme sets.
    R2 gets season boxed-sets. I would have been perfectly happy to get season-order four-episode individual discs.
    As it stands, I have not purchased South Park since Rhino had the reigns. I do not forsee myself doing so any time soon.
    Shame.
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  13. John Ford

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    NO ORO(original release order)=NO SALE
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  14. Jeff Kleist

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    Warner, you have till January to repent, then I'm buying the R4s and not looking back. If you won't do season sets, then give it to Time-Life or Columbia House to do it properly
    Jeff Kleist
     
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    quote: "Nobody at Warner Brothers nor Comedy Central seems to really care about releasing this set respectfully to season order." -Ron Epstein[/quote]quote: "we want SEASON BOX SETS!!!" -Tom Ryan[/quote]quote: "Simply, I will not buy themed sets." -Vince Maskeeper[/quote]quote: "I didn't buy the first 2 themed discs and I won't buy these 2." -Joe Kauffman[/quote]quote: "I stopped buying the South Park DVDs as well when the series shifted to themed discs. -Jeffrey Forner[/quote]quote: "Since the "themed" discs came I sold my old comedy central R1s of seasons 1 & 2 in anger." -Dan Brecher
    [/quote]quote: "No theme discs! Why is that so hard to understand????" -Mark Zimmer[/quote]quote: "I didn't buy the first theme sets. I won't buy these theme sets. I won't buy any theme sets." -John Berggren[/quote]quote: "NO ORO (original release order) = NO SALE" -John Ford[/quote]quote: "Warner, you have till January to repent, then I'm buying the R4s and not looking back. If you won't do season sets, then give it to Time-Life or Columbia House to do it properly." -Jeff Kleist[/quote]
    It's amazing... Of all the people I have ever seen who actually had a preference one way or another- all prefered SEASON ORDERED SETS! The people who buy the themed collections would buy them either way, however you lose thousands of sales to people who want collections.
    I wonder how long it will take WB to figure this out?
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    Consider this another 'ditto'
    I don't own anything that'll play multiregion discs and probably won't be getting one. But I still aren't going to buy those discs.
    edit: dang Vince, way to get busy. I post my message and the thread is twice as long. [​IMG] I'm gonna put another message in the other thread.
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    Here's another vote for seasonal box sets. The themed discs have absolutely no appeal for me. I own the first 6 DVDs and would snap up the next seasons as soon as they were available. I'm seriously thinking about buying the R2 releases after reading this thread.
     
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    Don't jump on me for this, but I'm going to have to disagree with the majority on this one.
    Let me first say that I USUALLY prefer season sets, however with a show such as South Park, I think theme discs are the way to go. South Park is too hit-and-miss, IMO, to warrant buying all the episodes if they were released by seasons. Out of the original 6 releases, I own 3 of them (1, 3, and 4). I think their Christmas episodes are pretty good, so I bought the Christmas disc they released last year, and will buy Winter Wonderland this year. I think Timmy is the worst thing to happen to the show (again, I'm in the minority WRT that, but I just do not find him funny at all), so naturally, I will not buy the Timmy disc, nor did I buy the Chef disc last year because, although I think Chef is a pretty good character, the episodes on the disc, IMO, were weak.
     
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    Ric, you're right about picking and choosing which episodes to watch in season sets, but I wouldn't buy season sets for South Park (with the possible exception of season 1), so "best-of"'s are the way to go for me on South Park. If I don't like at least a couple of the episodes on the theme disc, I don't buy it. But, this way, I do own South Park discs, which I might not if they released them in season sets.
    Your mileage may vary.
     

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