Mike Sloan
Second Unit
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- May 18, 2002
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Eddie,
Keep defending the VTF-3....It makes me feel good about my purchase!!!!!
Keep defending the VTF-3....It makes me feel good about my purchase!!!!!
That is probably why faziod and KeithBR says one would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a VTF-3 and 20-39PC+.I am KeithBR/BrianKR.
I still stand by what I said that you would be hard pressed to tell them apart musically (and with most DVD's at lower listening volume/levels) but with HT is where SVS walks away from HSU.
When I made this statement " honestly cant make up my mind which sub I like better. Everytime I get a new DVD or CD I play it over and over on both subs trying to convince myself one is better than the other and I just cant." I only had both subs side by side for a few days to a week (if memory serves me correctly).
Once I stopped swapping them back and forth in the same place and simply put them each in their own place, calibrated them and stopped playing at -20/25dB below reference. The differences became more and more obvious.
Yes, both HSU and SVS make awesome subwoofers. You simply can not go wrong with either, but for HT the VTF-3 was not as impressive with DVD's (as "all" my friends and family agreed) as was the CS+, and I did have the updated VTF-3 at the time.
Either way this has grown tiresome. They are both equally fantastic subs and you really cant go wrong with either. Personally I would take an SVS over a Hsu just because of SVS's "AMAZING" CS and support! Hsu's CS & support is also top notch but NO ONE tops SVS in this regard.
I am KeithBR/BrianKR.
I still stand by what I said that you would be hard pressed to tell them apart musically (and with most DVD's at lower listening volume/levels) but with HT is where SVS walks away from HSU.Isn't this getting mighty confusing. It is a pretty big turnaround to say one minute they are very comparable with various music and DVD's, and the next minute there is no comparison at all with all dvd's.
If I remember, you were comparing two 20-39CS+'s with Behringer to two VTF-3's right? You bought the VTF-3's before the CS+'s?
It looks like only one person owns one 20-39PC+ and one VTF-3, the guy named faziod at the other forum. He says they sound very similar and that we would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two. I know that I certainly felt they were very similar.
Some products ideal for some people, other products ideal for other people. That is why it is great to have these good choices
You forgot to factor in perhaps the most important issue when discussing porting...the tuning point.Yes, tuning point can be factored in. But the VTF-3 in the tuning mode for max output is flat to 20Hz. With 2 ports, it should have a big edge over the 1220, and yet it doesn't. The point is that we are comparing two different products, two different designs, oranges and apples really.
So at 20hz...the TN20 tuned in the mid 17s with a 4" flared port SHOULD have the advantage on a design using the same amp power,driver,and approximate enclosure volume...but tuned in the 23-24hz range(I can't remember which exactly) using twin 3" flared ports.Hsu told you that the VTF-3 is tuned at 23-24 cycles?
Remember that we are only looking at one data point, maximum levels at 20Hz. At this one data point, I agree that your argument is valid for the VTF-3 compared to 1220. We still know that is not a conclusive measure of overall performance. Both the VTF-3 and 1220 are very similar in frequency response, flat to 20 cycles. Having listened to a VTF-3 and 1220, they are both very similar really for the most part. Comparing these two is easier because they have same driver and amp and volume. Comparing VTF-3 and PC+ is different because every component is different. Oranges to apples.
We get the point. You are in an endless debate loop. You seem to be just making less and less sense as the thread goes on.How am I making less sense as I go along? I think I have presented my arguments reasonably.
Hsu and SVS is coke or pepsi.Just as long as SVS = pepsi because coke sux!
Is the rumor true that HSU is buying SVS...?LOL!
I prefer Diet Coke!