How many subs can go down to 18Hz for $500.00 ?

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  1. Brett DiMichele

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    AR, ARS500 15" Slot Loaded Bob Carve/Sunfire Powered
    all of this for $500.00! Who else can compete in that
    price point?
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  2. Larry Noud

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    My DIY Sonosub with the Tempest driver will easily smoke the one you mentioned for about $200.00 cheaper.I have it tuned to 17Hz and it is down right scary.
    [Edited last by Larry Noud on October 31, 2001 at 04:39 AM]
     
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    My D-I-Y sonosub, 6.2ft^3 ported, tuned to 17.5 Hz will do it too. Unquestionably the best value in a sub is one you build and you can easily beat any commercial sub for half the price or less.
     
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  5. Brett DiMichele

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    That is a manufacturers claim but I would venture to say
    it is valid. I think if you go to audioreview.com and read
    the reviews on this sub there are some owners of (hate to
    name drop) Velodyne's and anything else that you can think
    of. And the general consensus is that there aren't many subs
    under 1K that can compete.
    Of course D.I.Y subs are very afordable your not telling me
    something that I don't already know. I have been playing
    with subs in cars since long before anyone got the bright
    idea to put one in a home.. Remember they used to just be
    woofers [​IMG]
    Gee maybe I should stick my sealed dual 12" box in the
    corner and plate amp it and be done with it...
    Nah AR hasn't let me down yet and I am fairly certain that
    I am going with the ARS500. I was just curious as to what
    other mass market subs can compare in the price range.
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    Well, let us know how you like it. I'd be interested in what SPL it can actually muster "18Hz" at, if at all. I pay very little attention to manufacturer's ratings, or to audioreview.com.
    I suspect, however, that either of the aforementioned Tempest subs would seriously outperform it.
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    Yep the Tempest probably would outperform it...
    That much we can be certain of.. But ya know what else?
    I don't want a big piece of concrete soniotube sitting in
    the corner of my room. I suppose I could build a more
    traditional style enclosure but to be honest I don't have
    the time or the desire to manufacture my own speakers..
    Making my own wiring is more than enough challenge.
    I am happy for all the D.I.Y'rs out there that have the
    best sub in the world built by thier own hands! [​IMG]
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    You guys suck. How do you build the Tempest so cheap. Cost me just over $800 CDN to build mine (~ $500 USD). Are you including the amp and construction materials in that cost?
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    Brett,maybe you could get someone here @ HTF to make a DIY sub for you. Many members here make subs for other members. It may not cost too much.
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    Scott,
    That's not a bad idea and for some people that may be
    the awnser. I don't want a D.I.Y sub though.
    Another thing I have to agree with Dustin and I would
    like to see receipts from start to finish on a D.I.Y
    Sub. And I mean include everything no cheating..
    Things you need to buy to do a D.I.Y Sub:
    A Sub
    MDF
    Bracing Material
    Veneer or other covering
    wire
    amp
    terminations
    glue
    screws
    caulk
    feet
    port tube
    And that's not including the tools you need to do it..
    I don't see how you can make a professional looking sub for
    $500.00
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    I don't see doing it for 300, but for 500 sure, I did it. (the pictures really don't do mine justice). It would have added about 10 bucks to put a base plate like SVS and another 10 bucks to put a wire grille over the port.
    But you are right, only if you have the tools or have access to them, if you don't the tools get really expensive.
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    Mine was well under $500 too [​IMG]
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    I think the Velo CT150 comes pretty close and you can get them closeout from Onecall for $500.00. Tom Nousaine said of the CT120 that it is one of the few subs that produces CLEAN output to 20 Hz.
     
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    Brett,
    A Sub-Adire Audio Shiva 12"=$115
    MDF-4x8 sheet 3/4" thick=$20
    Bracing Material-$0 use MDF from above
    Veneer or other covering-4x8 sheet maple veneer=$50
    amp-Adire Audio AVA250=$179
    wire-$2 (probably not that much)
    terminations-$2 (same as above)
    glue=$5 max
    screws=$5 max
    caulk=$3 max
    feet-let's use spikes (Madisound)=$4.20 (1.05 x 4)
    port tube-nice 4" flared port (Madisound)=$14
    Grand Total=$399.20 + whatever the shipping on the adire and Madisound components cost.
    So for $400 (maybe throw in another $20 for some polyuerathane finish) you have a sub that would best most $800 commercial subs and maybe some $1000+ subs.
    General rule of thumb: What you pay for a sub (or any speaker) probably costs the manufacturer about 1/4 that to produce.
    "And that's not including the tools you need to do it.."
    If you don't have the tools (are access to them) then the discussion is pointless.
    "I don't see how you can make a professional looking sub for $500.00"
    Do you now? [​IMG]
    That's the reward of DIY! You get WAY more than you pay for!
    Case in point: I'm about to embark on an 18" sub that will cost me about $1500-$2000 total (that includes a 3000 watt professional amp and any EQ'ing necessary) that would rival some $10,000+ subs!
    For more info. take a look at the "Blueprint 1803" thread in the DIY section.
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    Right now you can get the plate amp cheaper from partsexpress . 250 watt plate amp for $138 with bass control knob.
     
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    TIME TO BUILD IT (IN HOURS)?
    AT HOW MUCH AN HOUR THAT YOU MAKE AY YOUR JOB
     
  19. Hubert

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    Well if all of the cheap subs are so good, why in the world did I waste my time buying this piece of crap HGS-18? You guys have subs at a fraction of the cost that can blow away my $3000 Velodyne. At least going buy what you guys have stated. I'm assuming you're correct in your information.
     
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    Geesh I had no idea this thread would be so controversial.
    I didn't even ask for D.I.Y subs to be included in this.
    I guess next time I will be more descriptive in my questions
    so we can avoid this in the future [​IMG]
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