I couldn't find a forum that really seemed to fit this as it covers movies and TV series so it's here. The discussions in the "For Those Who Still Think Physical Media Has No Place in the 21st century..." thread turned to SF and the quality, or lack of, in the past 20 or so years. I *love* SF and always have. It's my 100% favorite genre. I have a huge list of SF books I've read and love but when it comes to SF in the movies and on TV that list of what I "love" is rather short. I've seen hundreds of SF movies and TV series but very few have "passed muster" for that second, or more, viewing. When the 70s hit I found fewer and fewer "good" SF products - to the point that I all but stopped bothering to even sample TV series relying solely on promos to tell me if it was worth my time or not - and few were. Even the ones I bothered to sample came up lacking. I'd rather watch the worst 50s "B" SF movie than many of the movies in the last ~50 years. At least most of those don't pretend to be something they're not. These posts are what prompted me to start this thread: I, too, have *very* high standards for SF movies and TV shows and, like you, find few that have any replay value. I got a free copy of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. I honestly don't know if I've seen it or not. I looked up some photos and nothing looks familiar - but that would be my reaction if I didn't much care for the movie. My classics also include Terminator 1 (but not 2), the original Total Recall, Blade Runner, Alien, and a very small handful of others in the past 50 years. Minority Report is the *only* SF movie from Steven Spielberg I'll watch again and it's been years since I last saw it. I have a BR copy I've not yet made time for in spite of recalling it being fairly well done. I've not bothered with A.I. simply because he directed it and was involved in the screenplay (and in spite of it being based on a story by Brian Aldiss, an author I like). I read a lot of SF/Fantasy (it's about all I read for fun) but find the state of SF on TV and in the movies to be less than stellar. While there appears to be something of a renaissance in the past 20 or so years I find the product to still be rather lacking with CGI driving most of the stories. Basically CGI/Action movies with SF type trappings. Like jr says - SF on TV has been much better than SF in the movies, although each has more than their fair share of stinkers.