I still don't know and if anyone can tell me, I'd be interested. Does anyone know if Jack thought it was painful or hard to have is face fixed like that? Also, at the end of the movie, after the SPOILER OBVIOUSLY............. Joker dies, we hear endless (almost looped) laughing. Is this just a tape recorder or something? Gordon found a green pouch and was looking at it as if that was the cause of the noise...anyone know? Thanks.