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Are we still cleaning everything before taking it into the house?

I’m having fatigue with this activity.
 
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Are we still cleaning everything before taking it into the house?

I’m having fatigue with this activity.
My thought: A little fatigue is better than suffocating to death on pus-filled lungs.

I am still being very cautious with anything and everything that I bring into the house.

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Are we still cleaning everything before taking it into the house?

I’m having fatigue with this activity.
It depends on the object but generally I’m more concerned with keeping myself clean. While we know the virus can survive on certain surfaces for 24-72 hours in lab environments, there are no documented cases of transmission via envelope in mailbox or anything real world like that. Just because they may have small amounts of the virus doesn’t mean it’s enough to get you sick, or that there’s a viable path from the surface to where it needs to go in your body. It really seems to be all about the air you breathe and respiratory droplets in that air, sneezes, coughs.

So my feeling is that if I’m going into a store, when I exit, I’m going to want to wash my hands as soon as possible because who knows, maybe someone sneezed on something I touched and who knows how often I actual touch my face. I’m going to wash fruits and vegetables before I eat them, just as I did before the pandemic. But I’m not worried about that package from Amazon or whatever’s in the mailbox. If I have to sign something that someone else is holding, or someone hands me something, I wash my hands after that.

I had kids last year and the hospital was very assertive about frequent hand washes (understandably so), so I’ve pretty much been in “wash my hands all the time” mode since last September anyway.
 
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A local Chinese buffet restaurant has reopened for inside buffet dining. Masks are required at all times except when you're sitting and eating. You must wear gloves (provided by the restaurant) while selecting food from the buffet. Sneeze guards over the buffet have been extended down to allow only a small slot for you to reach the food.
Golden Corral is still closed in my city which is a large buffet restaurant chain.
 

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Are we still cleaning everything before taking it into the house?

I’m having fatigue with this activity.
I never cleaned anything brought into the house (groceries, mail, Amazon deliveries, etc...). Since day one, I’ve been wearing a mask and diligently washing my hands as I always have. After loading groceries in the car, I’ll scrub real quick with hand sanitizer. Most of the retail / grocery chains here (except Target) have stopped cleaning the trolleys between customers and have reverted back to leaving out a tub of wipes that is usually empty or dried out. Target still has an employee dedicated to cleaning them. Kroger has a bottle of spray and some paper towels with a sign instructing people to clean their own trolley. Walmart was and is still the Wild West.
 

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I understand they are open here in Colorado, but you are served at the dishes. I haven’t gone myself so I don’t know exactly how that works.
That’s the way it should always have been. I went twice and besides nasty cafeteria food, you would believe the people wiping their noses or scratching their asses then picking up the serving utensils. The worst was the chocolate fountain that every unattended kid in the joint was sticking everything they could find, including their fingers, in the flow.
 

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I understand they are open here in Colorado, but you are served at the dishes. I haven’t gone myself so I don’t know exactly how that works.
I was wondering if they were open in other states. There is no way I'll ever eat in another buffet style restaurant again.
 

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That’s the way it should always have been. I went twice and besides nasty cafeteria food, you would believe the people wiping their noses or scratching their asses then picking up the serving utensils. The worst was the chocolate fountain that every unattended kid in the joint was sticking everything they could find, including their fingers, in the flow.
Yeah, it's been many years since I last ate at a buffet style restaurant and this pandemic, at least for me, has sealed those restaurants forever.
 

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I love going to buffet style restaurants after working all day and not eating much since breakfast. Typically at 9 or 10 pm in evening, before going home.

This is the one big thing I miss since the shutdown started.
 

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Actually, I just realized there are three Chinese buffets where I live - China Town, New China, and Mulan’s. Perhaps all three are open again.
I thought Mulan was already going straight to D+ in this part of the world. :lol:

FWIW, the House of Mouse can't be happy w/ the early backlash and very mixed feelings about the flick from various significant quarters (along w/ the pirating in China?).

But yeah, don't know if I'd ever go to another self-serve, buffet-style place in general -- I never really liked the Chinese ones (at least here in this country) anyway -- yes, I'm Chinese (though somewhat Americanized/Westernized of course)... originally from Hong Kong.

Only time I personally chose to eat at one was for cheap lunch back more than a decade ago when I was on a rather strict budget and still going to the office in NYC Wall St area (and there were one or two w/ authentic enough Cantonese/Hong Kong style foods), but they weren't all-you-can-eat. Well, there were other such for other foods (primarily for lunch) as well throughout NYC mostly operated by Koreans I gather.

I suppose I did also sorta choose to eat (somewhat more upscale) self-serve, buffet-style up at Mohonk where we've been going for getaways w/in 2.5-hour drive, but that was a good deal different. Wonder if they'd ever return to having that though -- they certainly won't while this pandemic lasts AFAIK...

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A major activity for us was getting comps at the US Casino, staying over night 2 or 3 times a month and eating for free at the buffett.

We shopped for just about everything we use in the area. Because of this, we have been suffering major price shock since being limited to Canada and without access to my US postal box, being limited to Amazon.ca. Some stores (Michael’s) have identical stock, but prices are 2 to 3 times higher here.

My wife is the gambler, but her major hobby is finding bargains. Even with the high exchange rate, she was able to save us a great deal of money, and we also were able to find many things not available in CND.

I think we are watching too much US news, but even if the border opens soon, we will be too afraid to go back for a while!
 

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Are we still cleaning everything before taking it into the house?

I’m having fatigue with this activity.
Stay the course, TonyD.

Fatigue is part and parcel to this marathon of survival; which consists of both the collective and the individual.
 

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Well, there’s staying the course when it’s necessary, but there’s also incorporating new information into your decision making process and making adjustments in light of that new information. In March, we didn’t know how it spread so it was prudent to take all precautions. Now that we do know how it spreads, there’s minimal value in fatiguing oneself with activities that don’t halt the spread of the virus. Being exhausted with taking precautions that don’t protect oneself just leads to general fatigue with all precautions, which increases the chance of letting your guard down in an area where it would be better not to.
 

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I enjoy buffets, but even before the pandemic I would usually carry a bottle of hand sanitizer in my pocket and would sanitize after getting my food and having to touch all the different utensils as touched by everyone else.

No Golden Corrals near here. Closest is a 3 hour drive. I have some family who usually make the trip once a year, but I've never been.
 

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Well, there’s staying the course when it’s necessary, but there’s also incorporating new information into your decision making process and making adjustments in light of that new information. In March, we didn’t know how it spread so it was prudent to take all precautions. Now that we do know how it spreads, there’s minimal value in fatiguing oneself with activities that don’t halt the spread of the virus. Being exhausted with taking precautions that don’t protect oneself just leads to general fatigue with all precautions, which increases the chance of letting your guard down in an area where it would be better not to.
Yes. Contrary to what we were told in February, to wash our hands and all will be fine, I'm not sure there's been a single case confirmed by touching an infected surface or object. It sounds like the majority of (or all) cases are from airborne infection.

I haven't wiped groceries or sprayed package deliveries for months now.
 

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But yeah, don't know if I'd ever go to another self-serve, buffet-style place in general -- I never really liked the Chinese ones (at least here in this country) anyway -- yes, I'm Chinese (though somewhat Americanized/Westernized of course)... originally from Hong Kong.

Only time I personally chose to eat at one was for cheap lunch back more than a decade ago when I was on a rather strict budget and still going to the office in NYC Wall St area (and there were one or two w/ authentic enough Cantonese/Hong Kong style foods), but they weren't all-you-can-eat. Well, there were other such for other foods (primarily for lunch) as well throughout NYC mostly operated by Koreans I gather.
I generally avoid chinese buffet all-you-can-eat type places.

I usually just go on the days/hours where they serve dishes on the wheeled carts. (I don't remember what they called this).
 

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Well, there’s staying the course when it’s necessary, but there’s also incorporating new information into your decision making process and making adjustments in light of that new information. In March, we didn’t know how it spread so it was prudent to take all precautions. Now that we do know how it spreads, there’s minimal value in fatiguing oneself with activities that don’t halt the spread of the virus. Being exhausted with taking precautions that don’t protect oneself just leads to general fatigue with all precautions, which increases the chance of letting your guard down in an area where it would be better not to.
Agreed.

That plus I do wonder if trying to sanitize to the Nth degree might end up making us more vulnerable in the long run.

Exposure to extremely small, essentially innocuous doses of whatever germs may generally be good for our immune systems. And germs are also just a natural part of the ecosystem. Trying too hard to eliminate and/or control them may end up having substantial adverse side-effects in the long run -- and you're not only destroying the Covid-19 virus when you sanitize this way.

Those immunal and ecological concerns have been ongoing and continually debated...

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I generally avoid chinese buffet all-you-can-eat type places.

I usually just go on the days/hours where they serve dishes on the wheeled carts. (I don't remember what they called this).
If they're mostly small dishes w/ a few pieces ala appetizers (traditionally during daily brunch time), they're "dimsum", which essentially means appetizers as that's how we (are supposed to) treat them. It's mainly a Southern Chinese thing, particularly Cantonese. Normally, people also order some main course type entrees (that include a fair amount of carbs... usually noodles) to share after some dimsum.

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