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I'm not convinced on gloves. I keep my finger nails short, disinfect the cart handle with isopropyl alcohol, disinfect my hands when I'm done, then thoroughly wash them once I get home, before and after I put the groceries away. I guess one thing gloves would do is allow me to more easily disinfect my hands once I was done, and it wouldn't burn. I know I have nitrile gloves somewhere, but I haven't been able to find them.Is everyone wearing gloves when they go shopping? If so, what kind of gloves? I'm wear disposable nitrile gloves.
Don't have any. My mask hasn't arrived either (was expected yesterday). So had to go grocery shopping this morning without. It felt like I was in the minority, without mask. (I've been home for 10 days and have no symptoms so it's very unlikely I pose a risk to anyone, FWIW).Is everyone wearing gloves when they go shopping? If so, what kind of gloves? I'm wear disposable nitrile gloves.
When I was in Target this week, none of the employees had masks on but they were all wiping down carts and doors and disinfecting the registers between every customer. It looked more like a cleaning crew was there than retail workers.Target still feels like they're not doing anything or paying attention to safety considerations that the other retailers are.
No one outside wiping down carts. No one cleaning checkout stations after each customer. But, theres' so few people in the store, that still feels like it balances out against the more vigorous but comparatively more crowded Wegman's.
You think this virus is going to penetrate disposable nitrile gloves?I'm not convinced on gloves. I keep my finger nails short, disinfect the cart handle with isopropyl alcohol, disinfect my hands when I'm done, then thoroughly wash them once I get home, before and after I put the groceries away. I guess one thing gloves would do is allow me to more easily disinfect my hands once I was done, and it wouldn't burn. I know I have nitrile gloves somewhere, but I haven't been able to find them.
I'm not certain there's a definitive answer to that. It seems almost certain that viruses can penetrate latex, and nitrile is used more for chemical resistance (which is better than latex) than viral protection. Viruses are remarkably small. Significantly smaller than bacteria. So, I have multiple concerns. That gloves are worn which don't actually protect from exposure, that viruses are dispersed when the gloves are removed and most of all, that wearing them gives a false sense of safety resulting in lessening other precautions. One thing seems certain to me, if you wear gloves, they need to be thoroughly disinfected before they are removed, or you just send any viruses on them floating in front of your face when you remove them. Also, I've studied what it takes to destroy viruses due to my desire to keep my work space and products safe, and what most people are doing as protective measures are NOT sufficient. viruses are very difficult to destroy. Notice I never say "Kill", because viruses aren't technically alive. On a basic level, they are chemical compounds, but they contain genetic code,which is where the confusion comes from.You think this virus is going to penetrate disposable nitrile gloves?
Reading your post suggests you want 100% protection against this virus. I don't think that's possible for most of us. IMO, using social distancing, wearing nitrile gloves and masks reduces your exposure to this virus which in reality is probably the best thing we can hope for right now.I'm not certain there's a definitive answer to that. It seems almost certain that viruses can penetrate latex, and nitrile is used more for chemical resistance (which is better than latex) than viral protection. Viruses are remarkably small. Significantly smaller than bacteria. So, I have multiple concerns. That gloves are worn which don't actually protect from exposure, that viruses are dispersed when the gloves are removed and most of all, that wearing them gives a false sense of safety resulting in lessening other precautions. One thing seems certain to me, if you wear gloves, they need to be thoroughly disinfected before they are removed, or you just send any viruses on them floating in front of your face when you remove them. Also, I've studied what it takes to destroy viruses due to my desire to keep my work space and products safe, and what most people are doing as protective measures are NOT sufficient. viruses are very difficult to destroy. Notice I never say "Kill", because viruses aren't technically alive. On a basic level, they are chemical compounds, but they contain genetic code,which is where the confusion comes from.
At first I thought that the FDA and Health Department requirements we deal with at work for food-safe treatment was sufficient, but learned it's not. What is needed to destroy viruses is substantially stronger than what's needed to kill bacteria and food-borne contaminants. For example, for bacteria and food-born contaminants, it's sufficient to spray a surface with 50PPM (parts per million) bleach, which can be left without rinsing. Viruses require at least 1,000PPM, 20x as strong, and that leaves a toxic residue. It will also cause severe skin reactions and will damage a lot of things it touches.
Viruses are a real bugger. They are infinitesimally small and can pass through a lot of materials. I simply don't know that standard nitrile gloves stop them.
I wash my hands anyway after wearing gloves. IMO, the longer the virus is on your skin, the greater the exposure level it is.I’m wondering what gloves are doing if they do anything.
This virus sits on just about everything.
Isn’t it sitting on these gloves too?
The moment you touch a virus infected item with gloves on the gloves now have it on them.
So you’re still walking around with gloves on that have virus on it too.
If you’re just touching things with bare hands at least you can spritz with some purel or equivalent and wash your hands anytime you want.
Withgloves on you have to touch the glove to get them off and then dispose the glove.
I just feel like the gloves is not better then bare hands.
Actually I’ve always wondered about the use of gloves when people handle your food such as lunch meat.
What is being protected by the gloves?
If someone handles food that I’m getting from someone with gloved hands, the gloves are still going to have on them whatever the person touches.
Washing your hands after removing gloves is always recommended.I wash my hands anyway after wearing gloves. IMO, the longer the virus is on your skin, the greater the exposure level it is.
The true answer to so many things is "We simply don't know." Do NSAIDs make a person more susceptible? We really don't know, but we do know that acetaminophen is probably safest, so best to be safe. There are reasons that gloves can be safer, but if I can find the box that should be somewhere, before I take them off, I'll saturate them with the 70% isopropyl alcohol I keep with me to assure any possible viruses on them are destroyed before I take them off. Then I'll still thoroughly wash my hands. At least gloves should prevent viruses from getting stuck under the fingernails or in crevices in the skin. I'm fairly certain that almost none of the preventive measures being taken for shopping carts is truly effective. What I understand to actually be effective is to saturate it with 70% isopropyl alcohol and let it dry for at least 30 seconds. It stinks, but it leaves no residue and is the most effective thing I've learned of, and it's a very simple, safe solution.@JohnRice have you looked into the face mask data? Ars Technica had what seemed like a really solid summary of the studies, and my takeaway was that it's not well studied and the studies out show a real equivocation on whether they're really helpful for people (especially the DIY cotton masks).
But then I'm seeing recently people posting summaries stating that "The medical evidence for the practice is overwhelming" in support of them. (though their data at a glance is also equivocal).
I'm not against masks -- anxiously waiting for my Etsy cotton masks to arrive.
But still confused on the proven efficacy of them.
That's my concern with a lot of the solutions. If you don't understand "why", "what" can actually make it worse.I think gloves provide a false sense of security. It's like some people don't believe that germs will adhere to gloves the same as they do to skin.