HORSE ABUSE...I have a very hard time watching many westerns on DVD these days.

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  1. Dick

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    Up until relatively recently, horses were routinely wounded and destroyed simply for the sake of getting an interesting shot in a western movie. Trip wires were engaged to topple these poor creatures, which were often left with broken necks or limbs and had to be killed, just to appease the audiences' lust for "great action" and stunt work. If you can stomach it, check out the 1938 CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE (not on DVD yet), and see scores of these noble animals sent reeling head over hooves for the sake of entertainment value. Even as recently as 1975's BITE THE BULLET, which I saw for the first time a few nights ago and which prompted this rant, it is obvious horses (to say nothing of a rattlesnake) were actually put through the agonies they appear to be on screen and have been horribly maligned. As I grow older, life - all life, whether human or animal - becomes more precious to me. It becomes more horrifying daily to see how callous Hollywood has been toward animals. There are numerous westerns now - some of which had been among my favorites (STAGECOACH among them) - that I can no longer watch with any enjoyment because of the cruelty imposed upon them. I am aware that such treatment (theoretically) no longer exists due to animal rights activists and reps from the ASPCA on set. But this in no way diminishes the impact of so many animals being killed in the past so that we could experience a bigger thrill while watching movies. Anyone else of this mindset?
     
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    What does this have to do with software?
     
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    Kyle,

    I am surprised to see this thread as well, but...

    You can make a difference by not supporting the filmmakers and distribution companies that engage in animal cruelty.

    My vegetarian family has a profound respect for all living things and we go out of our way to lift up other people and companies that feel the same way.


    Bryan
     
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    You know, guys...although this may be a worthwhile discussion, why are you bringing this up here? This isn't the forum for this type of discussion...maybe the moderator can move it to where it belongs.

    Furthermore, the American Humane Society has been monitoring films involving animals for many years now. And while I have no doubt that animals have been harmed in the past, there's nothing that can be done about that now. It's kinda like slavery...in that it's a dark page in the past, but it can't be undone so you have to move on.

    I mean, are you all really going to boycott buying certain DVDs where animals were harmed? As William Shatner once said, "Get a life!" Those are the kinds of statements that give organizations like PETA a bad name. It serves a purpose, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
     
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    How so??
     
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    Dick, I think you're overreacting. I've been on many a film set and believe me, animals usually get better treatment than the humans and I've seen the animal handler refuse to do certain "stunts" if the animal is in jeopardy in any way.
    Remember these are trained animal actors. When you see a horse get punched in the face and knocked out in Blazing Saddles, it's not real. When you see a horse sweating and foaming at the mouth and falling down in exhaustion in Bite The Bullet, the horse is acting. These aren't animals just picked up off the farm, they're trained for movie work and it's all they do.
     
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    My personal favorite animals in a movie disclaimer from Michael Moore's documentary Roger and Me:
     
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    OK, lets don't beat a dead horse[​IMG]
     
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    A Software related post [​IMG]:
    Versions of the Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid DVD:
    R1 - No Cuts
    R2 - The documentary required cuts (6 seconds) to two shots showing a horse being tripped by the film maker pulling on wires attached to its front legs. Cuts made in accordance with BBFC guidelines which apply the tests of animal cruelty set out in the Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act to video also.
    R4 - Same master as R2 so the documentary is cut.
    (Source: Dvd Compare)
     
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    Great thread!
     
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    Just don't wake up with a horse head in your bed.
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    Adam, I also thought of the Crow as a great example of a human dieing while making it.

    The blues were born from slavery. Slavery is horrible. Therefore, we should stop listening to the blues. Also cotton products are evil.
     
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    C'est la vie....
     
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    (Stepping off soapbox)

    This thread is a good thought provoker, but definitely out of place in software. Sorry to have thrown another veggie burger on the fire.

    The great thing about HTF is the diversity of members and ideas.

    Bryan
     

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