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[Worth]

…But I don't believe it was shot in Panavision either, for that very reason.

That doesn’t mean anything anymore. Any number of television productions are filmed in 2.35 these days.

 

[Museum Pieces]

That doesn’t mean anything anymore. Any number of television productions are filmed in 2.35 these days.

That's my point.

 

[Tino]

--The ultimate destination of “Horizon,” he acknowledged, was always going to be on TV.--

That's different than knowing almost every movie always comes to TV. One of the reasons Horizon is so segmented is huge gaps of the story are missing from the theatrical cut. Watch it. I knew it the first time I ever saw it. It's obvious they're saving chunks for the TV series. Just like it was obvious part two wasn't coming to the theaters.

No offense, but I think you’re misinterpreting a lot of what he said and are making assumptions based on your opinion of the film.

Let’s agree to disagree. Cheers.

 

[Museum Pieces]

No offense, but I think you’re misinterpreting a lot of what he said and are making assumptions based on your opinion of the film.

Let’s agree to disagree. Cheers.

Do the math on the numbers Costner put out there. They don't add up, unless it was shot for TV all the while. Cheers.

 

[Robert Harris]

Believing in a project and being smart about how you make it are two different things. As I said earlier, had Costner made Horizon as a TV series, it probably would have been successful. He could've gotten his passion project made and seen by an appreciative audience.

But because he was stuck in his head that this had to be a four-part theatrical event, which was a next-to-impossible sell for something not based on an existing IP (e.g. a popular book series like Harry Potter, Hunger Games, etc.), he lost the audience and risks not being able to complete the story as planned.

Stating to sound like Abel Gance.

 

[JoshZ]

That doesn’t mean anything anymore. Any number of television productions are filmed in 2.35 these days.

That's my point.

Your point is getting a little muddled. Literally hundreds of TV series are shot in 2.35:1 widescreen these days. (I track them here if you want a list.) Costner could have used that ratio regardless of whether he made this for theaters or TV.

An argument can be made that he shot 1.85:1 because he was hoping to get this onto IMAX screens.

 

[Mark Booth]

The digital version of Chapter 1 was released at midnight (Eastern). I skipped around (via iTunes) and it looks terrific! The 1.85:1 image feels huge on our 75" 4K set. It's as if Costner knew the money was going to be made via TV screen viewing.

Mark

 

[ManW_TheUncool]

Your point is getting a little muddled. Literally hundreds of TV series are shot in 2.35:1 widescreen these days. (I track them here if you want a list.) Costner could have used that ratio regardless of whether he made this for theaters or TV.

An argument can be made that he shot 1.85:1 because he was hoping to get this onto IMAX screens.

Yeah, NVM that 1.85:1 isn't actually 16x9 anyway, heh.

The most common ARs for TV/streaming these days are 16x9 and 2:1 near as I can tell. Well, maybe 2.35:1 is becoming almost as common too.

It just seems like he wants to squeeze the facts into his own beliefs about Horizon based mostly on his dislike for it... not that I think Horizon P1 is perfect or anything either...

_Man_

 

[Museum Pieces]

Yeah, NVM that 1.85:1 isn't actually 16x9 anyway, heh.

The most common ARs for TV/streaming these days are 16x9 and 2:1 near as I can tell. Well, maybe 2.35:1 is becoming almost as common too.

It just seems like he wants to squeeze the facts into his own beliefs about Horizon based mostly on his dislike for it... not that I think Horizon P1 is perfect or anything either...

_Man_

I'll let the ultimate fate of it, in its final form, speak for itself. There is significant footage from part one that very few people have seen that was not shot for the theater. The plan has always been that these scenes would be added to fill in gaps in part one, once it comes to TV.

I'm not here to be right. Or to prove I'm right. Or to prove someone else wrong. I'm here to add value, or insight, into the discussion, where I can. Adding value to the forum, to me, is what posting is all about.

 

[ManW_TheUncool]

I'll let the ultimate fate of it, in its final form, speak for itself. There is nearly an hour of part one that very few people have seen yet that was not shot for the theater. The plan has always been that these scenes would be added to fill in the obvious gaps in part one, once it comes to TV.

I'm not here to be right. Or to prove I'm right. I'm here to add value, or insight, into the discussion. Adding value to the forum, to me, is what posting is all about.

That there are more footage shot than included in the theatrical version doesn't automatically mean the longer version will be better or what Costner truly intended to be his ideal. You're really just jumping to conclusion on that w/out actually knowing what the longer version will be like nor has Costner actually said the longer version is his preferred version -- indeed, even your quote of him suggests he does not personally endorse/like what that longer version will probably be and sounds like might not even be actively involved in making/re-editing it (given how he put it).

Many productions have significantly more footage than included in the best and/or director's preferred version of a particular film afterall.

Obviously, you don't really like the theatrical version presented, but you haven't seen what that longer version will actually be like, so can't really tell if it'll be better (nor do you have actual confirmation from Costner that's his ideal/preference either, but quite possibly the contrary given how he put it) -- you're just drawing conclusions w/out enough solid info IMO.

BUT again, I'm not at all suggesting this theatrical version is perfect or anything like that... or that a somewhat longer version can't be better. I'm just saying you're really just jumping to a conclusion that's far less supported than you think/believe.

_Man_

 

[Museum Pieces]

I saw it before it opened. I said before it opened it would flop. It flopped. I said part two would never be released on its scheduled theatrical date. It wasn't.

That's called insight.

Edit: I don't hate the movie. I hate that it was released in its incomplete form simply because Costner was hell-bent on getting it in theaters.

 

[ManW_TheUncool]

I saw it before it opened. I said before it opened it would flop. It flopped. I said part two would never be released on its scheduled theatrical date. It wasn't.

That's called insight.

That has nothing to do w/ whether the eventual longer version will be better or Costner's original intention/ideal.

Many films flop... even if they're actually great... NVM whether everyone must agree that a film is good or great, LOL...

_Man_

 

[Museum Pieces]

I've said what I can say (and been right every time so far, weeks in advance). I'm not going to say anymore or I'll just get myself in trouble.

 

[ManW_TheUncool]

I've said what I can say (and been right every time so far, weeks in advance). I'm not going to say anymore or I'll just get myself in trouble.

Have you actually seen the longer version in its final form? IF not, that should say it all, ie. you're just guessing.

No other info you've provided actually supports (all that much) your conclusion about the eventual longer version being what you claimed. All we can say is there will very likely be a longer version released for streaming, but based on your own provided quote of Costner, he doesn't even sound like he likes what that will be.

_Man_

 

[Museum Pieces]

Have you actually seen the longer version in its final form? IF not, that should say it all, ie. you're just guessing.

No other info you've provided actually supports (all that much) your conclusion about the eventual longer version being what you claimed. All we can say is there will very likely be a longer version released for streaming, but based on your own provided quote of Costner, he doesn't even sound like he likes what that will be.

_Man_

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[Mark Booth]

We get it, you didn't like the film. Bully for you. Now, please go see another film you don't like so you have something else to repeatedly bash.

Mark

 

[Tino]

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Finds Redemption at Home​

Vindication for critics who thought Kevin Costner‘s epic “Horizon: An American Saga — Chapter 1″ (Warner Bros.) felt more like a TV drama: It was an immediate #1 on VOD top 10 lists

https://www.indiewire.com/news/box-...rizon-tops-itunes-fandango-charts-1235028377/

 

[Museum Pieces]

We get it, you didn't like the film. Bully for you. Now, please go see another film you don't like so you have something else to repeatedly bash.

Mark

It's not the film I was continually bashing. It was the continued implications that I was wrong in anything I predicted that could be objectively verified: the film flopped, and part two was not released. Those are facts.

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Finds Redemption at Home​

Vindication for critics who thought Kevin Costner‘s epic “Horizon: An American Saga — Chapter 1″ (Warner Bros.) felt more like a TV drama: It was an immediate #1 on VOD top 10 lists

https://www.indiewire.com/news/box-...rizon-tops-itunes-fandango-charts-1235028377/

If it was such a hit on streaming, why hasn't part II been released?

 

[Winston T. Boogie]

It's not the film I was continually bashing. It was the continued implications that I was wrong in anything I predicted that could be objectively verified: the film flopped, and part two was not released. Those are facts.


If it was such a hit on streaming, why hasn't part II been released?

I read something recently that Chapter Two is being released, and maybe in theaters based on how well it did streaming. It has been shown but I guess they are deciding when and where it will be released. I believe they definitely are planning a streaming release, the question is if it gets some sort of theatrical release.

I'm biased in that to me, sitting in the theater watching these films is a great time...because I am a big fan of the genre.

I think the question here is, does he make all 4 parts. That is probably in question but if they decide these things are working on a streaming service, perhaps he completes the series for streaming.

It will be sad if he does not because as I understand it, Chapter Two, like Chapter One, does not really have a conclusion. It ends as if the next episode is coming soon.

 

[Museum Pieces]

I read something recently that Chapter Two is being released, and maybe in theaters based on how well it did streaming. It has been shown but I guess they are deciding when and where it will be released. I believe they definitely are planning a streaming release, the question is if it gets some sort of theatrical release.

I'm biased in that to me, sitting in the theater watching these films is a great time...because I am a big fan of the genre.

I think the question here is, does he make all 4 parts. That is probably in question but if they decide these things are working on a streaming service, perhaps he completes the series for streaming.

It will be sad if he does not because as I understand it, Chapter Two, like Chapter One, does not really have a conclusion. It ends as if the next episode is coming soon.

I saw Part II some months ago. I thought it was better than part one. If you liked part one you'll like part two. And you are correct. Like part one, part two just stops. There's no dramatic structure. There's no climax. I believe that's one reason it didn't do well in the theater.

I actually watched part I again on streaming and thought it played MUCH better because that's what it was ultimately conceived and shot for--streaming--regardless of whatever else Costner wants to believe or wishes had come to pass. He didn't put in the lion's share of the money. The other money was contingent on certain conditions conducive to streaming--conditions that make it theatrically untenable.

I hope part two is released on streaming. My feeling is they'll end up taking a tax break on it (if they haven't already) and never release it. I'll be happy to be wrong about that.

Part three was halted after eight days of shooting; that pretty much tells me all I need to know.