Hmmm... Paradigm PW-2200 vs Adire Dharman (???)

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  1. MichaelSLB

    MichaelSLB Agent

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    Hmmm...

    "I would expect the new pw2200 to be right near the top of the Tom Nousaine list once he has a chance to measure it."

    -Tom V.
    SVS

    "In fact, the measured performance of the Dharman equals that of the Velodyne HGS-15, a $2500 reference level subwoofer!"

    -Adire website

    I'm trying to decide between these two great
    subs. It's mostly for home theater, but music
    quality is still important -- although I have
    complete confidence that both of these will be
    fine for music.

    With that said, I have auditioned the Paradigm
    at my local dealer and liked it a lot. It really
    pounds for the price, and shakes the crap out of
    you, the room, the couch, etc, etc!

    Both subs are the same price (the Adire being
    ordered online from a fellow Canadian store). The
    Paradigm can be bought and serviced just down the
    road from me, whereas the Adire would have to be
    shipped if complications/problems arose.

    Any opinions on these subwoofers, and if the
    Dharman is better for HT, is it THAT MUCH better
    to warrant the potential hassle-factor?

    FYI: I considered the Paradigm Servo 15 as well,
    but the performace increase over the 2200 is
    minimal for the price. If anything, I could
    almost get TWO 2200's for the cost of one Servo,
    which I trust would blow it's doors off.

    Your opinions on this matter would be great!

    Oh, and I'm not interested in ordering any of
    the subs from the US (SVS, HSU, etc) so please
    don't suggest them ;-)

    Thanks!

    Michael
     
  2. WayneO

    WayneO Supporting Actor

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    I heard the new PW2200, and really wanted it to go along with my Monitors, but went with an SVS. Haven't heard the Adire model, so I'm just saying the Paradigm sounded pretty good and get's a vote as a good product for the $$$, specially up there in Canada.
     
  3. mark rush

    mark rush Stunt Coordinator

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    I like my pw2200's they are not the newest version though, dealer service is a big part also, sorry i can't help you much
     
  4. ChrisHeflen

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    I love my 2200, but if you can, I would wait for their new offerings or work out a trade up option for the new subs paradigm has coming out with your dealer. In fact, shoot Paradigm an email to see how far away they are.

    Anyway here is a little snippet of info on their new stuff.

    Scroll down a bit.
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...03-page-3.html
     
  5. MichaelSLB

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    Thanks guys!

    Here's what I ended up doing... with the great advice from
    Chris (thanks!):

    I went with a Paradigm PW-2200 V2 for now (from Audio Ark -
    Edmonton), but they'll give me FULL trade-up value when I
    want to upgrade to the new 12" Seismic sub or Servo 2500!

    The Seismic 12" looks like it's gonna be a real giant
    killer.

    ...And I think they're gonna have them in about 45 days or
    so. Yippe!

    Thanks all! [​IMG]

    Michael

    P.S. I've got the PW-2200 V1 at home right now while I wait
    for my new V2 to arrive in 7 - 10 days. But man, this is
    one nice sub. Watched The Predator tonight in DTS and had
    tons of fun. ;-)
     
  6. ChrisHeflen

    ChrisHeflen Supporting Actor

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    I'm glad I could help!

    Did your dealer have any pricing info on the new subs?
     
  7. MichaelSLB

    MichaelSLB Agent

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    Yeah, thanks again Chris! [​IMG]

    I actually called Paradigm and they could only give me a
    price on one of the new models, the 12" Seismic. They
    said that MSRP would be around $2,000 CAD... so I suspect
    one should be able to pick it up from a reasonable dealer
    for around $1,600 or so.

    Hope that helps!

    Michael
     
  8. kristopher p

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    I was wondering if anybody had prices on the new paradigm subwoofers such as the pw-2100, and Seismic 10" sub, and servo 2500
    Canadian prices of these upcoming subs would be nice, if not USD will suffice.
    Also does anyone know the possible spl's these subs(seismic 10" & 12", and pw-2100, servo 2500) could reach. I was just wandering cause i heard SVS perform really well for SPL's, i was just wandering how paradigm's SPL's stack up to SVS.

    Thanx
    Kris
     
  9. PaulWY

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    Hey Michael, check your pm's.
     
  10. Dustin B

    Dustin B Producer

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    I'm a little late, but one other thing to consider with the Dharman service wise is Adire does serve the DIY market and all the components of the Dharman are sold seperately (well except for the enclosure).

    So if one of the parts does have a problem you could likely get it trouble shot over the phone which part it was and CSS could ship you a replacement for just that part. Really only two things could go wrong (unless you physcially damaged the enclosure). The driver could go, or the amp could go, and both are easy items to swap out.

    Time without the sub would be less using this method (unless your Paradigm dealer offered you a replacement item while yours was being fixed) and when the warranty expires replacing parts in the Dharman (not likely, but you never know) would cost much less.

    Performance wise, the Dharman would definately play a little louder than the PW2200 (not a large difference but noticable), especially down really low. The comparison would become much closer with the V2 PW2200 though.

    The Dharman, PW2200 V1 and Siesmic 12 are all on this compilation of the Nousaine review data.

    http://members.cox.net/frankcarter/T...Sub%20Data.htm

    There was something damaged on the Dharman during shipping that was reviewed (forget the details, some search on this forum might find a post where Dan Wiggins details what it was), so with the MKIII Shiva instead of the MKII and an undamaged enclosure you could expect slightly higher numbers from it.
     
  11. cabreau

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    The PW-2100 was around $750 USD when I was looking over a month ago. The PW-2200 was $899 USD. Because they were giving me 100% trade-in for my sub (had to trade for "like" item only), I ended up getting the PW-2200 (a little overkill, IMHO). If I had been able to put the money from my sub towards the fronts instead, I would have ended up buying an SVS sub.
     
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  13. Tom Camlioglu

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    Uhh... no.(But I guess that can be subjective to your expectations where value is concerned)

    Sorry for my late .02 cents too here guys. I was in the same boat - looking at the 2200 vs. the Servo-15. It's like comapring Godzilla to Godzookey.

    And I did think about the (2)2200's option as well considering the price of 1 Servo, but the low end of the Servo-15 is something the 2200 can't approach.

    However, all that being said ... I can honestly say that the 2200 would have been my alternate choice if the Servo wasn't available.
     
  14. cabreau

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    What is the cheapest SVS sub that still competes with the Servo 15?
     
  15. Dustin B

    Dustin B Producer

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    A 20-39PCi should be quite comparible for output. The servo might have a slight edge down below 20hz. The 16-46 would give up nothing and have a slight edge over the entire frequency range a sub is asked to handle. And above 25hz every sub SVS makes would have a slight to a very large output edge over a Servo15.
     

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