Help pick my Sub! -Velo,Carver or Rel?

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  1. Greg Schex

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    I've narrowed my search to these three subs due to space constraints- I have Def Tech Procinema 100's w/ a C2 center, run with a Denon 2802. Sounds great so far[​IMG] Now the sub, I am leaning toward a Rel q150e, but am also considering the Velo spl800 or the Carver Knight Shadow which I haven't been able to hear. Any feedback or suggestions? The hookup for the def techs is speaker level in to sub then out to speakers set speakers to large and hook up the lfe channel. None of these have both speaker level in & out but the Rel hooks up in a similar manner if that makes any difference. Thanks- I hope to buy SOON![​IMG]
     
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    Would you be able to purchase the VEL or the Carver locally? You might be able to arrange a side by side weekend trial period in your home? Generally, the VEL will have lower distortion, but the carver will have more overall output. If you have much over 1500 cu-ft room volume wise...I would lean toward the carver I think.

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    Hey Tom. I was on the train last Tuesday and I sat next to a guy who was reading a list of some sort. While he was flipping the page a few of his pages fell and what do you think he was reading up on? We had a good conversation and he seems geeked to get one of your subs.

    Have you had any orders from NY yet? If so, it's probably him.

    To the poster. Any reason why you haven't considered the Adire Audio Rava? Or have you and ruled it out? Just curious.
     
  4. Greg Schex

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    My room is 17x15x12=3060 cubic ft. and is open on one side to a stairway and kitchen area. I can only get the Rel Q150e locally and maybe the Velo spl800 the Carver I would have to order via internet. I looked at the Adire but need a sub which is no taller than 12.6"

    I am considering to the earthquake but it side-fires like the sunfires and I don't think it has enough breathing room where I am putting it. ANYONE tried the Rel???

    Thanks
     
  5. John Sturge

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    I've tried the Rel Q150, and I think it's terrible beyond belief for the price point.

    The truth is, the Q series Rel's are underwhelming and subs way cheaper can easily best it.

    Try Adire Audio subwoofers.
     
  6. Greg Schex

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    Would love to be able to fit the Adire rava but it is 18" tall (my limit is 12.7") Thanks for the info on the Rel the price is high![​IMG] I read this review on it http://www.home-entertainment.co.uk/...ArticleID=1823
    and hoped it would meet my needs. If I go with the Carver Knight Shadow it will be without ever hearing it which is scary. My procinema 100's claim to do 50hz but I know that can't be right. I just want a short sub which is good for music and HT[​IMG]
     
  7. Dustin B

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    You could also get in touch with Kyle at Acoustic Visions.
    He can costum build you a sub using any of the Parts Express or Adire drivers to fit your space requirements.
     
  8. Martice

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    Hey Dustin. Why didn't I think of that? :b
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] :b
    All this bass talk gets me emotional. [​IMG]
     
  9. Greg Schex

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    I checked that web site the Adire driver is a 12" and I am probably limited to a 10" driver with my enclosure constraints. Parts Express has a 10" driver but then would I need a custom enclosure? Would it still come in under the $600 price point for the Carver? Also do they have speaker level in & out? that is how def tech reccomends hooking up to their speakers but I don't know how critical that really is -Thanks
     
  10. Martice

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    Greg, you can go to Acoustic Visions and they should be able to hook you up with a Dayton DVC 12 based sub. It is very similar to the Adire Shiva but can be housed in a smaller cabinet.
    Check out these prices:
    Prices
    Good Luck
     
  11. Greg Schex

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    how do I translate liters to inches?
     
  12. John A. Casler

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    Greg,
    My first recomendation would be the SuperNova MKIV 10". It is "MUCH" louder and plays lower than the other two, and it costs less.
    Secondly, Pinnacle makes a sub called the "BABY BOOMER" for $895 Which sports two 8" woofs in a 10" cabinet with 600 watts.
    http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/babyboom.htm
    But if possbible, with that room size (and since it is open on one side the sub sees a "LARGER" room)go with the EarthQuake.
    John Casler
     
  13. Greg Schex

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    John, I have looked at the Earthquake site and even e-mailed the company hoping to see one here in San Diego but had no luck[​IMG] How much "room to breathe" would this sub need? I am not sticking it in a cabinet but more of a nook between a built in corner unit and a built in seat around a fireplace so I was thinking a forward firing sub would be needed and had ruled out sunfire etc.. I would have about 26" across the space[​IMG] Your help is welcome and a cherry cabinet would look sweet! [​IMG]
     
  14. Dustin B

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    It's hard to convert litres to inches (well it's actually easy, but there are thousands of possible combinations). It's much easier to take the largest dimensions you can live with. All three, hieght, width and depth (one is 12.6", what are the other ones). From that you can figure out the maximum litre amount and anything less can be made to fit.

    Would also be nice to know what sides will not be butted up against something. Just one, two, three? Oh, and where in the room is this place that the sub has to go?
     
  15. Greg Schex

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    Yes the space is 12.6" tall about 26" across. It would go back against the back wall so would have about 7" on each side (assuming a 12" cube) the "wall" on one side really only goes up about 18" and the other one actually tapers away at a 45 degree angle and goes up about 3' and then is open behind it. It's where I have a built in corner unit w/TV on top. I know it's weird but it is what it is[​IMG] thanks for the help[​IMG]
     
  16. John A. Casler

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    Greg,
    As long as the area around the space you are talking about is secure (that is, nothing will vibrate from the SPL) it should be fine.
    26" would give it plenty of "workspace". The SLAPS radiator can move up to 4" on explosive peaks.
    The ultimate would be if you could find an additional spot in the rear of your room and run two of them (one front and one rear)
    And the Cherry is nice if it matches the decor.
    It also sounds like this is going to be "non"corner loaded, which even more means you need a high output sub like Tom suggested.
    With all that space and the open wall (which means the sub sees that as space to fill also) you need something to move AIR.
    Start looking for space in the rear of the room for another
    [​IMG]
    John Casler
     
  17. Dennis Michael

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    Why not go with a Def Tech sub, Prosub 100, 10 inch driver, 250 watts, Prosub 200, 12 inch driver, 250 watts, $450. and $550. respectively, or go with the Def Tech PF15, 15 inch driver, 500 watt amp, fast, deep and accurate, i love mine.

    All these subs give you multyple choices for hook ups.
     
  18. Dustin B

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    I'm having trouble visualizing this 12.6" limit to height from your description. Is there anyway you can take a picture of were the sub will go and either post it here or email it to me?

    Acoustic Visions could build you a sub that could fit around these angles (99% sure, have to talk with Kyle for 100% certainty) allowing you to increase the box volume and getting you a more efficient sub capable of deeper more powerful bass.

    Hoffman's Iron Law really is an iron law. Out of efficiency, extension and enclosure size you can pick two and the third will be dictated to you. Small enclosures require loads of power to get extension. Big ones don't.
     
  19. Greg Schex

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    Dustin, I can take the pics and can post them tommorow (once I figure out how) The sub is going underneath the other components which are on a "Vogels" wall mount rack. Greg [​IMG]
     
  20. Greg Schex

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    I can't figure out how to post the pics of my set-up so I will e-mail them to you Dustin (or maybe someone can tell me how to include them?) Dustin maybe you could post them for me. I am showing the space where the sub will fit under and the opening of my room. Thanks for all the help!! [​IMG] [​IMG] I getting ready to WOOF [​IMG] [​IMG]
     

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