I was just about to buy the 3802 today at 6ave for $699 if they still had it at that price. Then I see that some people are having problems with it going into stand-by mode and a lot of people complain about the remote and functionality. I also have seen the Marantz 8200 refurbished at accessories4less.com. This seems to be a great receiver with a computer port for upgrading, better DAC's, better video switching and better remote. The only problem is that I have heard the 3802 vs. the Onkyo, Yamaha and Sony 5ES. I know that I like the sound of the Denon better than these offerings, but I have never heard the Marantz in an A/B comparison. I have contacted the dealers within 50 miles of me that sell the Denon and the Marantz and all of them are custom installers and they don't have the two hooked up for an A/B comparison. The two owners that I spoke to said that they thought the Marantz sounded better and was more reliable. They had nothing to gain because I explained my dilema, and they were aware that I was going with an online dealer. I would like to know if anyone has heard the Marantz vs. Denon and what you think. I found the Denon to be very musical compared to the other companies, but I always hear that the Marantz is also very "warm" and musical. Is the 8200 (list $1,700) at $1059 a better choice considering the features and ability to upgrade? My choice is down to these two.