HI Guys, Anyway, as the title says I need help buying a Denon receiver. My receiver and DVD player was stolen last year and I was moving around from place to place. I'm finally settled and plan on setting up my HT again. Why Denon? I want the 5 channel stereo sound. And I've always loved Denons. My speakers are the Energy Take 5 system with the 8" sub. My plan is to buy a receiver now and add it to my system. Down the road I would like to upgrade my front two speakers and center and run them with an outboard amp. I was all set on the Denon 1804 until I just found out that this recevier doesn't have pre outs for an outboard amp down the road. I want to keeo the option of upgrading so preouts are really important. I'd like to eventually add outboard amps all around and use the denon as a pre-pro until I can afford a Lexicon Mc1. So that's my background. I could use some advice. Now that the 1804 is out which one should I buy? Buy new, used or refurbished. My budget is about $500 and anything less than that is welcome. Suggestions? New used or refurebished. What model numbers? Where should I buy it from - jand r, ebay or ecost? Thanks for your help.