1. Sign-up to become a member, and most of the ads you see will disappear. It only takes 30 seconds to sign up, so join the discussion today!
    Dismiss Notice

Hello Dolly (1969)

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by DP 70, Jan 16, 2013.

Tags:
  1. Ken Koc

    Ken Koc Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2004
    Messages:
    1,722
    Likes Received:
    854
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    New York
    Real Name:
    Ken Koc
    "Todd-AO sleeper"? My interest is piqued! I can't imagine what that film would be...... "Lord Jim"?
     
  2. ahollis

    ahollis Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    New Orleans
    Real Name:
    Allen
    LORD JIM was shot in Super Panivision 70 and not Todd-AO. So my guess is THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY or CAN-CAN.
     
  3. GMpasqua

    GMpasqua Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,431
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Greg
    Well, to be fair to the poster's comments on the sky not being blue - much of the film was shot in overcast weather and the sky was never blue (even on the DVD and in production stills) this is especially true of the Garrison New York location footage (and much has been written about the rain problems they had to shoot around) You probably notice it more on the blu-ray because the picture is brighter.

    Other instances where blue may seem to disappear (as in Minnie's blue dress) - the color also changed on the DVD in the same spots.

    Overall the DVD was a tad darker and yes, in some shots on the Blu-ray - since the picture is brighter - some whites appear to bloom, not by much and not all whites, but there are a few cases where some very minor detail is reduced in those whites (Ribbons down my back).

    The trailer on the blu-ray is also much darker, but then that's not correct either. The disc looks great for the most part and looks very much as it did in 70MM

    I believe the "sleeper" the poster is referring to is "Cleopatra" coming next month
     
  4. ahollis

    ahollis Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    New Orleans
    Real Name:
    Allen
    . After re-reading the original post you are right that he was referring to that all time sleeper, CLEOPATRA!
     
  5. Ken Koc

    Ken Koc Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2004
    Messages:
    1,722
    Likes Received:
    854
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    New York
    Real Name:
    Ken Koc
    Ah...I have the UK release and it is magnificent!
     
  6. Will Krupp

    Will Krupp Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2003
    Messages:
    2,585
    Likes Received:
    3,586
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    PA
    Real Name:
    Will
    I noticed the color (more accurately the saturation level) fluctuations to be most pronounced in Barbra's purple dress but I chalk that up to the filming conditions (it appears more vibrant in the outdoor and filtered shots and colder inside Irene's store) and not an issue with the transfer.

    It is such a gorgeous blu-ray, I think this is the first time I've sat and watched this all the way through in years. The movie is one of those we usually pop in to blast favorite musical numbers for a quick cheer-up ("Sunday Clothes" usually does the trick) but I enjoyed the hell out of it last night.

    Seeing what a great dancing talent (and absoulte cutie pie) Danny Lockin was always makes me sad, though.
     
    Mark Mayes, bryan4999 and MatthewA like this.
  7. ahollis

    ahollis Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    New Orleans
    Real Name:
    Allen
    You are right about watching this through for the first time in years. I have actually spun this thing 4 times from beginnig to end (One time just looking at the sky) since this arrived. How true about the tradgic loss of Danny Lockin. He is a ball if energy and humor in the film and I would love to have seen what he could have accomplished had he lived.
     
  8. noel aguirre

    noel aguirre Supporting Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2011
    Messages:
    596
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    New York City
    Real Name:
    noel
    Totally. See 16:25, 25:56 (no rain- the sun is out- yet the sky and the Hudson are a bloomin' arse white.
    And the worse offender is at 2:24:45 all the mens suits look exactly the same washed out whitish color.
     
  9. DP 70

    DP 70 Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    1,043
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Real Name:
    Derek
    I also have the UK version , it also says 2.35.1 on the back
     
  10. MB19

    MB19 Auditioning

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2013
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Is the UK version of Hello Dolly bluray "french dubbed" and with french subtitles like the US version? Amazon.uk does not say anything on that.
     
  11. haineshisway

    haineshisway Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,493
    Likes Received:
    5,176
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Real Name:
    Bruce
    Um, no. Someone else on the other thread posted a retort to this going shot by shot. Enough is really enough here. There are no blooming whites anywhere and if others are seeing such things you really need to recalibrate your TVs.

    From A. Hollis in the other thread: "I went to those three time marks. The sky is overcast as mentioned on the short about Gene Kelly. The reason I call it overcast is you can see a mist on the river and in the far background. You can also see the blue of Barnaby Tucker's work apron along with other blues in both shots.

    What I don't understand is your comment about the men's suits. They are various shades of grey, white and beige. It appeared to me that each man wore a different shade. I only saw one white suite and it did not bloom out.

    Not trying to be snarky, but i was giving you the benifit of doubt until I went to the 2.25 mark and saw different shades of color on the suits. None were blooming white. Perhaps your monitor needs adjusting. Just a thought.

    We will just have to agree to disagree on this. I find the transfer almost near perfect and very enjoyable."
     
  12. GMpasqua

    GMpasqua Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,431
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Greg
    I'm generally pleased with the disc, but I also think the contrast is a little too bright in some shots for my taste - just a slight bit. Sometimes skin tones appear too white. Of course the color is still there and the skies are blue when they're not cloudy. The detail and color is much improved.

    There is nothing wrong with the print or the colors - they're great.

    This whole blue/sky white/sky discuss is ludicrous - I think we all know the poster is saying the contrast is too bright, and in some instances he may be correct. I saw the film in 70MM twice in the last 10 years and do not remember thinking the whites were too bright, but I did feel the contrast was a little too strong in this transfer (just a hair) even after I adjusted it (on two different large screen TV sets) and only in some shots
     
  13. noel aguirre

    noel aguirre Supporting Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2011
    Messages:
    596
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    New York City
    Real Name:
    noel
    Fair enough and end of story. It's not as good as the original that I too saw but good enough no matter if it looks exactly like the most recent struck print that haineshisway saw and keeps raving about.
     
  14. rsmithjr

    rsmithjr Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    1,225
    Likes Received:
    668
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    Palo Alto, CA
    Real Name:
    Robert Smith
    Agree on all points, including the sad ones.

    In the big dancing numbers, Danny really stands out from the rest of the cast. That includes Michael Crawford and Tommy Tune. He has more energy, enthusiasm, and skill than all of the rest. Often he is strategically centered in the ensemble.
     
  15. haineshisway

    haineshisway Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    4,493
    Likes Received:
    5,176
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Real Name:
    Bruce
    I believe if you look at the posts here and elsewhere you will find that it wasn't me who was raving about the print. No, I just know what these things look like. You were making very specific charges against the transfer, which I and others refuted. That is all. Nothing more to be said about it.
     
  16. Matt Hough

    Matt Hough Director
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    21,395
    Likes Received:
    10,915
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Charlotte, NC
    Real Name:
    Matt Hough
    Which makes it doubly sad that Fox did not include his screen test footage as part of the extras. Thankfully, it is available elsewhere, but it would have been nice to have it all in one place.
     
    ahollis likes this.
  17. Mikey1969

    Mikey1969 Second Unit

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2012
    Messages:
    299
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    110
    Location:
    Kitchener, Ontario
    Real Name:
    M. Fox
    Not to belabour it, but I also found the whites slightly blown out on some exterior shots; a small blemish on an otherwise exemplary transfer. Certainly not as bad as the Bond film On Her Majesty's S.S. (also 1969).

    Its also sad to notice Tucker Smith's fleeting appearance in the film. Six years earlier, he had a showy part in one of the biggest films of the year, playing Ice in West Side Story. He seemed to have a big career ahead of him, but it never happened. Some have said he was gay and refused to hide it, causing Hollywood to lose interest in him, forcing him to take small film roles and TV work where he could. You can spot him in Dolly on the train during the Put on Your Sunday Clothes number.
     
  18. Matt Hough

    Matt Hough Director
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    21,395
    Likes Received:
    10,915
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Charlotte, NC
    Real Name:
    Matt Hough
    Yes, you can see him in the ensemble of How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying movie, too.
     
  19. ahollis

    ahollis Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    3,243
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    New Orleans
    Real Name:
    Allen
    Thanks for pointing out his scene. I have been trying to locate him in the film but I was concentrating on the waiters to see if he was one of those.
     
  20. Will Krupp

    Will Krupp Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2003
    Messages:
    2,585
    Likes Received:
    3,586
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    PA
    Real Name:
    Will
    Speaking of which...during that same scene when Dolly first sings inside the train carriage, there is a VERY cute VERY gay chorus boy in the upper left hand corner of the frame with VERY big facial expressions who is having a VERY good time. I first noticed him nearly 20 years ago and I have been crazy about him ever since. I'd love to know who he is (was...?)
    :D
     

Share This Page