I just got the basic rec's installed for two rooms and standard dishes..I am now trying to spiff up the output buy taking advantage of the S-video connections on my hdtv. I thought it look pretty bad using coax going to the tv so I used a spare s-video cable I had laying around and found that when I connected it to the tv, I get only black and white and some color that goes in and out of my display (Panny 47"). Since I got two boxes I tried the other on and the same thing, even switching out cables! SO I am thinking I have 2 lemon boxes although audio is fine (analog only) and composite video is fine too. I am stuck using composite until I can figure out what to do. THese boxes are the basic (and slow!) Philips models. I will be upgrading to an affordable HD box very soon but I still would like to take advantage of S-video while I can. thanks for any help!