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Has Criterion upgraded the Blu-ray of CHILDREN OF PARADISE?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Dick, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Josh Steinberg

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    Maybe you’re thinking of the DVD? It was first issued in a non-anamorphic version and then several years later they put out an anamorphic version.
     
  2. battlebeast

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    When was PATTON redone? I ahve it on Blu, and it looked amazing to me.
     
  3. darkrock17

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    Why do these threads keep going off track?

    Is everyone on here like Charlene from Designing Women?

     
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  4. Robert Crawford

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    Perhaps. you're thinking of the DVD releases as it had two of them. The first DVD release was in 1999, and the second Criterion DVD release was in 2007.
     
  5. Robert Crawford

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    It was released again on Blu-ray in 2012, the first BD release was in 2008.
     
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  6. Robert Crawford

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    Right, let's get back on topic please.
     
  7. john a hunter

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    I picked up a 4k restoration in France last year and had no problems with the PQ.
    It was in a lavish book with extras on an additional BD.
    Everything in French save English sups on the film.
     
  8. battlebeast

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    Is there a way to tell which edition I have?
     
  9. Robert Crawford

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    I don't know, Criterion is having a flash sale now and they're selling the latest release.
     
  10. Robert Crawford

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    So, it's possible Criterion does have an improved version now? I bought it during the last flash sale, but I haven't watched it.
     
  12. Lord Dalek

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    This is about Patton, not a Criterion of whatever.
     
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    Is this thread about Children of Paradise or about Patton?
     
  14. JohnRice

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    No kidding.
     
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    Jon Mulvaney at Criterion has kindly provided information regarding this title:

    Hi Rick,
    I'm catching up on some older emails and wanted to let you know that our 2012 release of CHILDREN OF PARADISE is the only version we've put out. No new restoration was done since then or is in the works. If we reissue a previously released title (BRAZIL comes to mind) this information will typically be noted on the packaging (back cover will have the latest year for the disc release, on the disc, and inside the booklet).
    Hope this helps! Best,
    Jon


    On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:05 PM Rick wrote:
    As you may have noticed if you read these things, there is a recent thread (which I started) on Home Theater Forum asking whether or not you had released a better transfer of CHILDREN OF PARADISE on Blu-ray. There has been no official notice of this, but sometimes new upgrades have been sneaked in to replace mediocre quality originals, and I have personally held off buying this wonderful film due to negative reports of your first release.

    Once and for all, so that I can report back to everyone at HTF, have you upgraded this film since you first released it? If not, do you intend to?

    Many thanks in advance for your reply.


    Best,

    Rick ("Dick" on the forum)
     
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    Last night I checked out the version streaming on the Criterion Channel...it is the same weird, detail-free, someone-smeared-Vaseline-on-my-TV-screen look as the blu ray.
     
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    It's one of those rare titles where the DVD looks better than the blu-ray.
     
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    Unfortunately Pathé who is the rightsholder ( Now attached to Gaumont) put all its Eggs in this atrocious FUBAR of a restoration back in 2011. They lobbied hard enough to get it a golden egg at Ritrovato Bologna the next year, which only goes to show that the judges on these “distinguished” panels never actually watch the discs. Sadly for them a few reviewers and others saw the thing and started correcting the record. I can add thst the 4kDCP is as horrible as the 1080p master for the BDs. Criterion knew They were buying a turkey but they were cntractually obliged to take it. Thing is there was nothing they could do in their own right to re- scan and regrade. It. Many years later when Criterion was offered a new 4K from Pathe via posthouse Eclair of Melville’s Le Samourai, they saw the same dead hand in the massive Over scrubbed DVNR. They wisely dodged a bullet, did not accept the new 4k and went back to an older (ca. 2004) 1080p master which had been done for the first DVD relesse in France on the Old Remy Chateau label. Having learnt from this lesson Criterion dodged yet another bullet a couple of years ago and turned down yet another FUBARed “new” 4k”from Studio Canal of Plein Soleil and reverted to the older Canal 1080p. There are many more stories like this but not the time to tell them here. The point is once an expensive 4K resto like Children of paradise is done and wrecked in the process, there’s not enough money to go back and do it again. Worse, professional reputations an d sheer egos come into play.
     
  19. Lord Dalek

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    ^All that is basically already been said by myself and others in this very thread (albeit not as "colorfully").
     
  20. AnthonyClarke

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    It was indeed very colourfully said, David. And of course very enjoyable.
    Meantime, in another world, Robyn and I still alive and kicking (though gently) in bucolic Woodend, in virtual isolation, and trying to ignore the knowledge that our dreadful Prime Minister is actually saying prayers for us! Heaven forbid ,,,,,,,,
    Hope everything's fine for you in NZ ... everything now suggests you certainly made the right decision!
     

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