Happy Gilmore: Was it filmed in 1.33:1? (1 Viewer)

[Brian Harnish]

Was Adam Sandler's "Happy Gilmore" filmed in 1.33:1? If not, what is the original aspect ratio of that film?
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[Jason Whyte]

Theatrical Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
The DVD release is pan and scan.
Jason
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[Inspector Hammer!]

Actually Jason, it's open matte, but I know what you mean, shit is shit no matter what color it is right?
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[Jason Whyte]

Actually John, it is pan and scan.
It would only be open matte if the DVD transfer utilized the entire filmed negative, which is never done on full frame transfers. Each and every shot is reframed and rescaled to remove boom mikes, stedicam camera flaps, dolly tracks, etc, that are outside the 1.85:1 safe zone, which you never see theatrically if matted correctly. So basically, everything is reframed, so you'll see some additional headroom or footroom here and there but mostly the image is zoomed in to remove photography artifacts.
There are exceptions, most notably Kubrick's full frame transfers on The Shining, Full Metal Jacket and Eyes Wide Shut that had its original cinematography framed 1.37:1 in the camera.
Think of that Super 35 video demonstration on the T2: Ultimate Edition disc but pretend it is for 1.85:1 theatrical rather than 2.40:1 Super 35.
Regards,
Jason
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[Brian Harnish]

Theatrical Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
The DVD release is pan and scan.

Argh...I thought so. Anyways, what's the general consensus on this movie? I think it's hilarious.
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[Inspector Hammer!]

Jason, yes but their is no panning and scanning in the film, the mattes are removed and they occasionally zoom in to hide boom mikes and such, I mean to qualify as being pan and scan, some actual panning must take place, I mean it's part of the term.
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[Jason Whyte]

Anything where the image is altered from its original compositions falls under the descriptive term of "Pan and Scan," (I just call it that when I discuss it with people) but you're right, I think we should drop that term and call it what it really is: incorrect. (It's going to be hard, mind you, considering how little people listen to me on this forum when I tell them anamorphic theatrical is 2.40:1, not 2.35:1. )
I've seen the full frame transfer of Happy Gilmore (years ago on VHS) and remember the entire film being reframed in such a way, not just to remove artifacts but for compositional purposes. There's a LOT of dead space outside that 1.85:1 safe zone.
Btw, this is my favorite Adam Sandler film, and the only one of his I've liked. If a remastered DVD surfaced, I'd pick it up for sure.
Jason
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[Inspector Hammer!]

I agree completly. Someone came up with a great new term for this, MAR, Modified Aspect Ratio. Great term, I think it should be officially adopted by the studios.
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[Jason Whyte]

MAR. "Oh this transfer is MARred." I like that. You and I have started something cool, John. tee hee!
Here's a diagram I scanned a few years back in regards to how 1.85:1 matting works in cinemas:

Jas-Scope
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[Edited last by Jason_Whyte on September 22, 2001 at 03:39 AM]

 

[Inspector Hammer!]

Yep, knew that, I was just speaking practically.
Unfortunatly it's true what you said, it's up to the pimplefaced, gum smackin, rap lovin, baggy pants wearin, backwards baseball cap wearin, minimum wage makin kid in the projection booth to frame the films properly, and they screw it up alot of the time.

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[Ricky f]

Happy Gilmore is great.
I have the region 2 DVD and that is 1:85:1 WIDESCREEN.
" I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast "
- shooter McGavin
" You eat pieces of shit for breakfast ? "
- Happy Gilmore
" No! "
- shooter McGavin

Regards,
Ricky
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[Deane Johnson]

Unfortunatly it's true what you said, it's up to the pimplefaced, gum smackin, rap lovin, baggy pants wearin, backwards baseball cap wearin, minimum wage makin kid in the projection booth to frame the films properly, and they screw it up alot of the time.

Is this a THX certification standard for a projectionist?
Deane

 

[Patrick Sun]

I believe it was Kevin P that came up with MAR.
"The OAR is WRONG, Bob!" Lol!
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[Andre F]

Happy Gilmore is one of my favorite movie of all time.
-Andre F
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