Guns of Navarone Superbit???

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  1. Maggi Magg

    Maggi Magg Stunt Coordinator

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    Does anyone know anything about this release?
    I´m curious to know if they have done a new transfer of this title.
    The original dvd is not good conserning PQ in my opinion.
    Any reviews???

    Cheers
    Maggi
     
  2. Jim Robbins

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    I saw this film when it first came out in the theaters and I can say that the eastmancolor film stock that Columbia and a few others were using during that time was not very good. I wouldn't expect we will ever see any transfer much better than what is out now. Even HD will not get rid of the grain. The colors in the film were also rather muted( probably by design). Still this film stands out as a classic.
     
  3. Maggi Magg

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    Well Anyone??????
     
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    I got an early copy. It doesn't look like a new transfer to me, and yes, the film has always looked grainy, especially to opening, which has multiple opticals going on. It's definitely sharper, has a DTS track, but I don't know that that's sufficient reason to upgrade, given the original release has the extras.
     
  5. Dennis Nicholls

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    While most of the Superbit titles do not make use of new film transfers, the new .m2v encodings oftentimes reveal dramatic increases in sharpness and high-frequency detail.

    If you have a large monitor or screen, the Superbit versions are the way to go.

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  7. Dennis Nicholls

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    The two superbits I own (LOA and Das Boot) appear to me to have new transfers. In fact it was a major topic of debate around here about the LOA superbits. I have a 100" diagonal CRT front-projection system so differences really show up for me.
     
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    Dennis - it's definitely not a new transfer, but it's noticibly sharper on my 56inch TV. If you're not happy with the other transfer's grain or color, this won't make you happy either. If you're looking for a sharper-looking version of the same transfer, it might be worth it for you.
     
  9. Mike Frezon

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    Yeah, Denise.



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    Mike, I don't know what you're talking about. [​IMG]
     
  11. Dennis Nicholls

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    I see Mike's done getting uppity again.

    Actually I put off getting the original release, so this wouldn't be a re-purchase. But so far none of the normal reviewers has touched this SB title.
     
  12. Jim-M

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    Colin Jacobson at dvdmg.com has a review of Guns of Navarone up now. He said the picture seems identical to the first release. I was dissatisfied with the PQ of that release, so I'll be skipping this one.
     
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    I think that the current PQ of "Navarone" is about as good as anyone could have done on the original negative, barring a cost-prohibitive complete restoration. From what I heard, the negative really went through hell since 1962 (I saw a 16 mm print of it on TV once, and it had some really scratchy moments, especially when the group first leaves in the fishing boat), and UCLA's Robert Gitt saved the movie from being lost forever with a last-second lab restoration in 1985.

    Perhaps Mr. Harris has some more definitive inside information, but as far as I know the DVDs of The Guns of Navarone, while entirely watchable on a 4:3 screen, serve as a reminder to widescreen TV owners what neglect of a film negative will result in.
     
  14. Maggi Magg

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    Thanks guys
    I´m not double dipping this one.
    It´s like i suspected,it looks like they used the old transfer and re-encoded the 5.1 sound to DTS[​IMG]

    Cheers
    Maggi
     
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    I don't know why people act surprised when a Superbit title offers the same transfer as the prior DVD. VERY few Superbits provide new transfers - the vast majority use the same ones as the earlier discs. It's the rule - new transfers are the exception.
     
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    Agree with Colin here. The Superbits do not, for the most part, utilize new transfers. They are redos at a higher bit rate and usually look sharper and better. That is the case with Guns of Navarone. It is clearly sharper than the normal DVD, but the transfer, with all its blemishes, is the same.
     
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    Bought this at Best Buy for $9.99 over the weekend. Watched it last night projected from an SP4805 on a 96" screen....it's okay. Still quite watchable. It'd probably look better on a smaller screen.
     
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    LAWRENCE OF ARABIA definitely is NOT a "new transfer"- Robert Harris has confirmed this. What they DID do was take the existing HD transfer and do a tape-to-tape color correction in HD to match the intended color scheme of the film prints. Thus, it might LOOK like a "new transfer", but it in fact utilized the same 65mm film-to-HD transfer as the original DVD release, albeit with additional tape-tp-tape color correction applied.

    Vincent
     
  19. JackKay

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    Never the less, it's probably one of the first action movies. And it's formula has been repeated over and over.
     

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