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Discussion in 'Computers' started by Derrik Draven, Sep 17, 2003.
He must be useing the remote desktop built into XP. Try to disable it. Also, if she dosn't use chat, kill MSN Messenger. It can't hurt.
Hey guys, I got the scoop. He's going here http://www.h2kclan.com/. He is using the Optix Pro program. Read through it a bit. DAMN!!!! That's one hell of a super Trojan someone wrote. I knew this kid wasn't smart enough to do this himself. He's merely using other peoples knowledge, downloading this garbage, and sticking his nose where it doesn't belong Okay, with that in mind, I have another question about firewalls. Looking through some of plethora of programs Optix Pro can tear through, among them is several firewalls BUT...they seem to all be software based firewalls. Is a program such as this, able to defeat hardware based firewalls? I was guessing that it's not. Otherwise, if crap like this can defeat hardware, what the hell can all of us do? We're at their mercy. Thanks admin for keeping things on track! Check out what Optix Pro can kill: Acceleration Software AV Anti-Trojan, AntiVir AntiVir (German) AntiViral Toolkit Pro AntiVirus ExPert 2000 (AVX) ( aka : Bitdefender ) ANTS AnVir AT AVS avast!4 Home Edition avast!4 Professional Edition AVG AVG 6.0 Free Edition BitDefender ( aka : Anti-virus Expert ) BullGuard Cheyenne AntiVirus Command Doctor Solomon AVS Doctor Web for Windows ( memory scanner ) eScan Free eScorcher AntiVirus version 1.7 eTrust Antivirus F-Prot Antivirus TM F-Secure G-Data AntiVirenKit ( German Program ) German Process Viewer InoculateIT Personal Edition Integrity Master InVircible Kaspersky LockDown Lockdown Pro MailDefense Standard 3.0 McAfee neolog NOD NOD32 Norman Norton AntiVirus Panda Panda Antivirus Panda Antivirus 6.0 Platinum Panda Titanium PC Door Guard pc-cillin ( aka : TrendMicro Antivirus ) PER Antivirus ( espanol language ) PestPatrol Protector Plus Antivirus Software Quick Heal RAV SBABR 3.12 SOLO Sophos Spy X Swat it Tauscan TDS T-FAK Trojan Remover The Cleaner TrendMicro Trojan Hunter 3.5 Trojan Remover Trojan Scan Engine TrojanCheck 6 TrojanHunter Vexira Vexira Antivirus ViRobot Expert VirusBuster VirusNet PC wild file goback WinRoute pro 4.2 FIREWALL : ( 35 firewall ) =========================== 3B Personal Firewall Pro Agnitum Outpost Free Agnitum Outpost PRO Armor2net Personal Firewall AtGuard BlackIce ConSeal PC Firewall Deerfield Personal Firewall eTrust Firewall GData Firewall German Process Viewer Kaspersky Anti Hacker 1.0 Kerio Firewall Lockdown Pro/free LookNStop mcafee firewall McAfee Internet Security Net Barrier firewall Net Protect Norton firewall Outpost Firewall Panda (Built-In) PC Cillin 2003 personal firewall Pc-Cillin (Built-In) Private Firewall 3 Sphinx Steganos Online Shield Sygate Personal Firewall sygate personal pro TGB::BOB! Firewall Personnel v 2.31E Tiny Personal Firewall WinGate Winroute WinXP Firewall Zonealarm Pro/free
I wouldn't think that it could get thru a hardware firewall. When they try to "hack" into the IP address, it is going into the router/firewall. Not the PC itself. All of the PC's behind the fire wall will have a 192.168.x.x IP address. The router will have the IP address that your ISP provides to it. Even if it can get past the router, it will still have to install a program that runs on your PC. Take a look in the processes that are running, and look for anything weird. Look it up on Google to see what it does. Don't just kill anything strange looking.
I'd think a hardware firewall would stand up to something like that. According to an article I found here, this thing works by using port 3410, and "ending the processes belonging to certain firewalls." You can't "end the process" of a hardware firewall. The best you could do would be to write some sort of script to log into the firewall using http and change its settings. But if you changed the default password on the firewall, that shouldn't be a problem. Congrats on finding it! Ryan
Yup, the only way this could work now is if the kid has unfettered access to the computer after you get the hardware firewall, gets in there somehow (which he should only be able to do from your network), and forwards port 3410 and/or whatever else it uses to a specific machine.
Derrick, Like a couple of folks have said here, software firewalls != hardware firewalls. A hardware firewall physically hides all the computers behind it from the internet, they can see the IP of the firewall but that is it. A software firewall still lets them see the IP of thge machine running it, and once a hacker can see your computer, you are vulnerable no matter what protection you are running. Or let me put it this way: every software firewall runs on top of the Windows OS and how much do you trust windows? A hardware firewall is fairly OS independent, just get one and never look back.
As so may before have stated, you should be running a firewall. I hate to say it but people who don't run firewalls are pretty much asking for intrusion...there are so many scripts out there that let anyone with even the most basic knowledge to gain remote access it's funny. Secondly....why is this being posted to a HTPC forum, aren't there apporpriate places for that? There are several forums on the topic of computer security..I think ANY ONE of them would be a much better place to post topics like these. IF you don't want to bother learning how to set up a hardware firewall, look into downloading ZoneAlarm, there's a free version online (Don't know how good it is as I use the pro version but I hear it's more than adaquete)
Again, thanks alot for the input, boys! I've learned alot of REALLY good info here. Annnnnnnd...I'm posting this while safely surfing behind my brand new Linksys firewall/router. Talk about easy to setup. I even have my Xbox safely behind "The Wall". Now I'm trying to educate myself on all the 'net terminology and exactly how it works. All those logs to read through...firewall/incoming/outgoing/system. I'm just going to have to learn exactly what I'm looking at when I read those reports. Being an aircraft technician, I thought WE had a ridiculous amount of acronyms, but all that "netspeak", tcp/dhcp/ip/udp/vpn, ect...sheesh!!!! Thanks for the tip on changing the admin password. That was done immediately.