Goodfellas.....why the Layla coda over the murder montage?

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  1. Dome Vongvises

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    I love Goodfellas, and I'm looking foward to the rumoured special edition. But one thing has puzzled me and are dare I say it, even bugs me sometimes.
    Why is the coda to the song "Layla" played over a murder montage? I mean, what does a song about unrequited love have to do with Jimmy Conway disposing of his acquaintances? I know Martin is something of a fan of Eric Clapton. Just curious.
     
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    For some weird reason, it actually fits well!
    Perhaps it's for the same reason why Hitchcock filmed love scenes like murder scenes and murder scenes like love scenes. [​IMG]
     
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    I've always loved the way it fits too. One of my favorite parts...
     
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    Gotta agree with everyone in this thread so far. I love that whole montage and I can't even imagine it with different music than what is currently there. Maybe the fact that the gangsters under Jimmy Conway all had undying loyalty towards him yet when the shit hit the fan he just looked out for number one and discarded them like they were nothing had something to do with the song choice. Of course that's just the nonsensical ravings of an insomniac at damn near 3am so I could be wrong.
     
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    It does fit perfectly. Maybe Marty will discuss it on a commentart for the new dvd. Just dreaming, I know.
     
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    I'll tell you one thing- I never liked that coda, but because of that scene, I love it by association.

    Murder and Eric Clapton's solo music are two things in this world I truly dislike, but put them together and you have one of the great mafia scenese of all time.

    This is a rare example of how to use pop music in the movie to help the scene along, rather than just for kicks with it getting in the way (ahem, Cameron Crowe).
     
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    The following is from http://www.ace-filmeditors.org/thelma.htm:
     
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    Sonically speaking, I agree with everyone's assessment that "Layla"'s coda fits perfectly with the montage sequence. I was just curious to what Scorcese was thinking.

    Where'd you get that link, andrew markworthy?
     
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    I'm with you guys. Brilliant piece of film set to a great piece of music. I believe they used it in the trailer as well?
     
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    What's this about an SE version? I didn't know one was planned. Any details?
     
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    Just think of Kubrick and music. Sometimes we can see a direct connection between the meaning of a chosen song, but at other times SK was giving a song a totally new meaning, perhaps for contrast or simply the sound of the song.

    Thus we end Full Metal Jacket on "Paint It Black" in which the meaning seems tightly connected to the ending.

    But you also have "Singin in the Rain" in ACO, and that couldn't be more opposite.
     
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    BTW, my favorite Scorsese songs are "Monkey Man" in Goodfellas and "Janie Jones" in Bringing Out the Dead.


    Regarding Crowe, personally I think he has a good touch and is far less intrusive than many directors, but he is not as deft as MS with his music.

    "Good Vibrations" took on a new meaning for me after Vanilla Sky.
     
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    Don't forget about Wes Anderson...his use of music in Rusmore, Tenenbaums, and Bottle Rocket (to a lesser extent) was spot on.
     

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