good story and idea but ruined by the director?

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  1. felix_suwarno

    felix_suwarno Screenwriter

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    what are the examples for this kind of movies? when a movie comes out really bad, i will always perceive the story as bad.
     
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    To properly give an example one would have to have the shooting script, or at least a very late draft to compare it to.

    Luckily I do. Joss Whedon's script for 'Alien Resurrection" was a fabulous return to the bad ass style of "Aliens." Alas, Jenuet had a different idea of how it should be done and tried to to something more akin to the original. The two styles clashed and a tremendously boring film resulted. I prefer the script version.
     
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    I always felt Zemeckis short-changed "Contact". I see it as a "disneyfied" version of Sagan's book, which was defanged by a competent by the numbers filmmaker.

    I don't consider Contact to be a bad film, but I did find it to be rather disappointing.
     
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    I suppose it could be argued that Battlefield Earth was a good novel idea that was trashed by Travolta & co.
     
  5. Dome Vongvises

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    Joel Schumacher and the last two Batman films come to mind. His vision practically twisted and mangled the very definition of the Dark Knight. He basically returned the series to its awful, campy roots from the 60's/70's television series of the same name.
     
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    Communion, which had a good script by the original author of the original book, but which was replaced by many semi-improv scenes by the director which simply didn't work. That was an example where the director placed all the responsibility on the actors, hoping their brilliance would compensate for his own indifference to the story.

    Course it is always to say that a director is at fault when a book is adapted to a film and it doesn't gel.
     
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    oliver stone butchered natural born killers.
     
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    What about A.I. Artificial Intelligence? I thought it was a good movie, right up until the drawn out, unnecessary Spielbergian ending.
     
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    Rob Tomlin said:

     
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    "Spielbergian ending"

    i have seen almost all of his movies but still couldnt really understand what that means. is there a pattern at the end of spielberg's movies? perhaps...every movie of his had happy ending?
     
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    felix_suwarno said:
     
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    I'll second Josh and say that Stone ruined Natural Born Killers
     
  13. felix_suwarno

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    "tie up most or all loose ends"

    i think that is a good thing. i dont like confusing movies. the recent one i saw was "tell me something". a korean movie, where everything didnt make sense.

    and what is the meaning of "manipulative" there? i thought every movie was "manipulated" in such a way to make money.
     
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    The first movie to spring to my mind is Wim Wender's Until the End of the World. Interesting story, but the leaden pacing kills it. I know Wender's films are usually not in a hurry to get anywhere, but he really drew this one out.
     
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    felix_suwarno said:

     
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    "When a film is accused of being manipulative, it basically means that the filmmakers intentionally do things in a film to dictate how the audience feels or reacts. This may be inserting a cute puppy to get the audience "ooing and awing", using a score that suggest feelings of happiness or sadness, or creating scenes for the sake of getting the audience to laugh or cry."

    oooh! thats why pearl harbor was such an emotional movie. thank you verrry much for the explanation. but looks like the majority of movie viewers prefer such movies to arthouse movies.
     
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    Gotta include Paul Verhoeven's miserable production of "Starship Troopers", a classic of science fiction and the 'coming of age' genre that was transformed into a cartoonish Nazi propaganda satire.
     
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    Kubrick turned the excellent The Shining into his own little retarded travesty.
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