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good SACD reccomendations?

Discussion in 'Playback Devices' started by JeremyErwin, Feb 11, 2006.

  1. JeremyErwin

    JeremyErwin Producer

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    After seeing the sizes of the SACD/DVD-Audio selection at tower, I've come to the conclusion, perhaps too hastily, that DVD-Audio is dying, but the market for classical and jazz SACDs seems a bit more robust. Pity. I liked DVD-Audio, despite any deficiencies in my player (an Oppo 971H).
    Having said that, are there any decent SACD players on the market that fulfill these requirements?

    1. relatively cheap (200--300, including discounts)
    2. Can be programmed/setup without the use of a monitor. (rather important!)
    3. have at least some facilities for bass/delay management.
    4. preferably without too many frills. I don't need DVD. I don't need a carousel.

    Are the Sony ES players good across the board? I saw some at a local tweeter...

    (I seem to have placed this on the wrong subforum. damn. Obviously this should go in Audio/Video sources.)
     
  2. John Garcia

    John Garcia Executive Producer

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    DVD-A is not dying, though SACD has a greater number of releases compared to DVD-A. Basing that assumption on Tower's selection is a big mistake. The main reason being, Tower has moved their hires titles out and mixed them into the rest of the CDs. Since most of the titles do not overlap, I would still say it is worth getting a universal player.

    Right now, I believe there are practically no single disc SACD players; the majority that are single disc are DVD players. If you want one that is audio only, you're probably going to need to look used. You might check around for a Sony SCD-C333ES. I have a 222ES which is a carousel version and it's been a very good player so far. It can be setup without a monitor and it has acceptable, though a bit unusual bass management. The bass management actually works like a fader allowing you to tweak the blend between the mains and sub. Not the best method, but it works.
     
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    Yes. My sampling methods are based on the fact that there's a Tower one block down from my house. Tower has moved the Pop/Rock/miscellaneous hires audio in with the CDs. However, the classical stuff remains segregated.
    There's maybe one row of DVD-Audio and five rows of sacd. I asked the clerk, and he said that new releases of SACDs are far more common than DVD-Audio.

    I'm not trying to take sides in a format war. It's just that much to my chagrin, DVD-Audio titles are hard to find...
     
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    (the following goes for any surround format)

    From what I've been seeing, its seems like if the BAND wants a surround version of their music, that makes it much more likely such a thing is released. Anyone else notice among pop/rock 5.1 titles many (most?) are of more progressive or "out-of-the-box" type of music? For example: Flaming Lips (their new album in April will be available in 5.1 too), Peter Gabriel (includes his Play dvd-video), R.E.M., Roxy Music, Porcupine Tree, various club/house musicians, Depeche Mode (who recently announced most of their previous albums will be remixed to 5.1 sacd), Beck, the upcoming Moody Blues sacds (only in Europe though), etc.

    I have to keep reminding myself that while I/we like surround music, that doesn't mean every musician does.

    But on the positive side, more and more mixers are able to also do 5.1 mixes, so a studio has more choice as far as these employees are concerned (i.e. they don't always have to shell out loads of $$$ for one of the "big names" like in the early days).

    So my theory is that the more conventional/traditional the music is, the less chance of a surround version.

    So dammit [​IMG] , where's the 5.1 versions of Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Stereolab, Tool, Beastie Boys, Thievery Corporation, Art of Noise, etc, etc, etc???
     
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    I was in the same market. Made the same decision about SACD and DVD Audio. I did some research, but SACD player project has been moved to the back burner for now. I was considering Sony DVP-NS90V. The new NS3100ES is supposed to be pretty good, but I haven't seen any reviews yet, and it's not clear if it's worth the higher price.
     
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    I agree with Lance - a lot of it depends on the band.

    Tool and A Perfect Circle would seem to be two bands that it surprises me they have not jumped on this. The Tool albums already have a LOT of activity with just the 2ch mixes. APC would also sound great, IMO.

    Denon 1920 will do all formats and has decent video at $350.
     
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    And does them all surprisingly (to me) well. First DVD player I've heard that I could stick with and not want a CD player to pair with it. I've had my 1920 for about 4 months now and continue to be pleased with it in all ops modes.
     
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    SACD and DVD-A players are discussed here, guys. Thread moved.
     
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    I prefer SACD over DVD-A becuase I use a front projector and do not want to turn it on just navigate the menu to listen to a DVD-A.
     
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    I know, I don't like that much either with DVD-A. Some discs will simply start playing, while most require you to make some type of audio format choice at the very least. Most of the time I turn on the tube, make my choice and turn it back off....but that doesn't stop my from picking up a title I'm interested in. My selection is about 60/40 SACD to DVD-A.
     
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    FYI, Flaming Lips Soft Bulletin is available on DVD-A right now.

    My collection of hi-rez disks is split about 50/50 SACD and DVD-A. Yes, DVD-A can be a little bit of a hassle, but they sound great. The hi-rez stereo track on the DVD-A of Fleetwood Mac's Rumors sounds better than the re-mastered CD. It's not a huge difference, but it's real. And the HDAD (2 channel 24/192 DVD-A) of Alan Parson's I, Robot is incredible, noticably better than the CD.
     

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