Going 61" Plasma.. What to look for???

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Brett DiMichele, Oct 26, 2002.

  1. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

    Sep 30, 2001
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    Hey Folks,
    As the topic says I am going to move into the world of
    LARGE Plasma. I am fairly certain that I am going to go
    with the NEC 61MP1 61" 16:9 Plasma Display. Comming from a
    4:3 61" NTSC RPTV (ABCDEFG?) What exactly should I be on
    look for? What is a good Contrast Ratio to shoot for?
    What all formats should I be concerned about? Will this
    thing last me at least a Decade? This is a fairly high
    dollar purchase in my opinion and the only way I can justify
    shelling out 10 grand is to say that this will be a long
    term investment in my hapiness [​IMG] So will it last 10 or
    more years?
    I will need a better DVD Player I know that much.. So After
    I sell my RPTV I will invest in a good Progressive Scan
    player to go along with the new set.
    *From NEC's Web Site*
    With an enormous 61" screen, the 61MP1 provides a previously unheard of plasma monitor size while maintaining an exceptional picture quality of 16:9 XGA native resolution.
    Assisting the 61MP1's 1365x768 WideXGA native resolution are Advanced AccuBlend Technology and NEC's exclusive Capsulated Color Filter Technology, producing superior color saturation, contrast, depth, picture quality and the purest shade of red yet possible in a plasma display. And for computer sources, a scan converter with an Optimum Conversion process for signals up to UXGA is included. In addition, a 3-2 pull down converter and a motion-compensated 3D scan converter deliver smooth, lifelike displays of video content while Advanced Mass Area Sampling straightens diagonal lines and reproduces curved lines more smoothly.
    NEC's AccuShield Phosphor Protection System, an Inverse RGB, Pixel Orbiter and Brightness Limiter modes help alleviate the possibility of phosphor burn. The 61MP1 also includes an internal 7-Watt stereo audio amplifier, external speaker jacks and optional external speakers that can attach to the sides of the monitor. Advanced display features also include a digital 9x zoom and a split screen option for a variety of simultaneous displays of multiple sources. Split screen also allows you to display 1024x768 XGA sources in their standard 4:3 aspect ratio. And flexible mounting configurations let you use the 61MP1 in both horizontal and vertical positions.
    Model Number PX-61XM1A
    Diagonal Screen Size 61"
    Vertical Frequency Range 50 to 120 Hz auto, step scan
    Screen Aspect Ratio 16 to 9
    Active Screen Area 1351 x 760 mm
    Native Pixel Resolution 1365 vertical dots x 768 horizontal rows
    Pixel Pitch .99 mm square
    Output Color 256 RGB levels, 16.7 million colors
    Viewing Angle 160 degrees
    Weight without tabletop stand 61 kg, 134.5 lbs.
    Included Accessories AC Power Cord, User Manual, Remote Control, Remote Control Cable, 15-pin RGB Cable, Batteries
    Optional Accessories Tabletop Stand: PX-61XM1U-ST
    Attachable Speakers: PX-61XM1U-S1
    61" Fixed Wall Mount: 61FWMK
    61" Tilt Wall Mount: 61TWMK
    61" Ceiling Mount: 61CMK
    Horizontal Frequency Range 15.5 to 93.8 kHz auto, step scan
    PC Signal Compatibility VGA: 640x480 @ 60,72,75,85,100, 120 Hz
    SVGA: 800x600 @ 56, 60, 72,75,85,100,120 Hz
    XGA: 1024x768 @ 60,70,75, 85, 100 Hz
    SXGA: 1280x1024 @ 60, 75, 85 Hz
    UXGA: 1600x1200 @ 60, 65, 70, 75 Hz
    WideVGA: 848x480, 852 x 480 @ 60Hz
    WideXGA: 1360 x 768 @60Hz
    Macintosh Compatibility 640x480, 832x624, 1024x768, 1152x870
    Input Terminals RGB 1 (analog): 15-pin mini D-sub
    RGB 2 (analog): 5 BNC (RGB/HV)
    RGB 3 (digital): 29-pin DVI (digital only)
    Video 1: Composite RCA x 1
    Video 2: Composite BNC x 1
    Video 3: S-Video 4-Pin DIN
    HD Video 1: 1 set RCA Component (Y,Pb,Pr/Y,Cb,Cr)
    HD Video 2: 1 set BNC Component (Y,Pb,Pr/Y,Cb,Cr)
    Audio: 3 sets RCA stereo + external speaker jacks
    Audio Internal amplifier, 7W x 2 output power
    OSM Contrast, brightness, sharpness, color, tint, color temperature, picture mode, noise reduction, bass, treble, balance, vertical position, horizontal position, fine picture, picture adjust, auto picture, power management, RGB select, BNC select, HD select, OSM adjstment, gray level, PLE, reset, frequency, language, color system
    External Controls 9-pin mini D-Sub, RS232
    User Controls Direct Access: Power on/off, input selection, OSM access, (Control Lock Switch located on input panel)
    Remote Control: Power on/off, input select, volume, mute, wide, display, off-timer, OSM control, cursor, pointer, zoom, split screen, auto, select
    Power Requirments 120V 50/60 Hz
    Power Consumption 660 W Typical, 6.9 Amp Maximum
    Plug and Play DDC1, DDC2B (RGB3 is DDC2B only)
    Dimensions (WxHxD) w/o base 1480 x 890 x 119mm, 58.3 x 35 x 4.7 inches
    Warranty 1 Year Parts & Labor Standard
    Environmental Considerations Operating Humidity: 20 - 80%
    Operating Temperature: 32 - 95 degrees F
    Storage Humidity: 10 - 90%
    Storage Temperature: 14 - 122 degrees F
    Contrast Ratio (set) 700 to 1
    Regulatory FCC Classs A, UL1950, , CSA950
    HD Video Signal Compatibility 480p 480i, 525p, 525i, , 540p, 625p, 625i, 720p, 1035i, 1080i
    Capsulated Color Filter Yes
    Carton Dimensions 65.0" x 21.3" x 41.2"
    Gross Weight 176.4 lbs.
    Video Signal Compatibility NTSC, PAL, SECAM, 3.58/4.43 NTSC
    Opinions? Options?
    Any information will be GREATLY appreciated! And thank you
    in advance!
  2. Michael_V

    Michael_V Second Unit

    Oct 30, 1999
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    Check out the Plasma section on AVSforum. Should find all you need there. Good luck!
  3. Gabriel_Lam

    Gabriel_Lam Screenwriter

    Mar 7, 2002
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    The best of the 61's is probably the Fujitsu, but it is pretty costly. What made you decide on the NEC?
  4. EricHaas

    EricHaas Supporting Actor

    Dec 25, 2001
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    The 60"+ category consists of three makes of glass. Zenith/LG makes 60" glass. NEC makes 61" glass, which is used in the NEC, Pioneer, Marantz and Fujitsu plasmas. Samsung makes 63" glass, which is used also in a Luce panel.

    The Zenith/LG is by far the least expensive. Reports of its PQ are however not very favorable, in spite of the fact that it contains the Faroudja DCDI scaler/de-interlacer chip.

    All the NEC based panels have decent PQ, though none produce particularly good blacks, and none are upgradeable like the 43" and 50" Pioneer. The Pioneer 61" is an exact rebadge of the NECMP1. The Fujistu uses all of its own electronics, including the AVM scaler which is better than the NEC scaler. The Marantz is a total rebadge except that it uses a different scaler which is I believe also better than the NEC scaler. The Fujitsu and Marantz are both substantially more expensive than the NEC/Pioneer. You might look into getting the NEC or Pioneer and a decent outboard scaler. If I were to pay that much money for a panel, I would find it worth it to invest a couple grand more in a scaler. Otherwise, I'd get the Fujitsu or Marantz at best price. Be careful of buying Fujitsus online however due to warranty issues.

    The 63" Samsung I have never heard any reports on and so cannot comment.
  5. Everett A

    Everett A Agent

    Dec 1, 2001
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    A friend of mine in the tv business (for a long time now) has said to hold off on plasma for now. Although he brought a couple into his shop, he said that today's plasma tv technology is still in the early stages where the lifespan of a unit is fairly limited. He mentioned around 3 years or so before the picture quality would really drop off. Something about how the plasma gas burns or something, causing the picture to fade over a fairly short amount of time.

    Take that for what it's worth...
  6. Claire Panke

    Claire Panke Second Unit

    Jul 5, 2002
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    I've seen posted that the brightness of a plasma will be visibly diminished at 30,000 hours, but that's a lot of hours.

    Personally, I think the Fujitsu is the best looking 61" I've ever seen, though I haven't seen the Marantz.

    I assume you're going to use this for DVD and HD?

    The rec for a quality outboard scaler is a good one.

    Have fun!
  7. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

    Sep 30, 2001
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    Thanks for all the comments thus far (Keep em comming).
    I honestly don't wish to spend any more than what the NEC
    sells for and if the Marantz and Pio are more then they are
    out of the question. And if these sets are problematic then
    Plasma in general will be out of the question. I am not going
    to spend that kind of money on something that will not last.

    That is why I want to hear the good, the great, the bad and
    the ugly on this set and all Plasma sets in general. Front
    Projection is not an option in my setup though LCD may be.

    SO I am not "100%" on anything yet I am considering my options
    heavily before I spend this large chunk of change. Also how
    really poor are the internal scalers? I am not a very picky
    person and I honestly doubt that my eyes would see the difference
    in a built in scaler or a $3000.00 external unit. What about
    using the PC and Scaling Software? I have DVI Out on my PC.

    My ears are open and my wallet is closed untill I research
    this alot more in depth.
  8. Gabriel_Lam

    Gabriel_Lam Screenwriter

    Mar 7, 2002
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    What exactly do you plan on spending?
  9. DaveF

    DaveF Moderator

    Mar 4, 2001
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    One Loudoun, Ashburn, VA
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    David Fischer
    Brett -- you've clearly given your choice a lot of thought, but if you want something that will last a long time, perhaps proven technology would be better, like an RPTV. Googling shows the 64" Pioneer Elite for ~$5000. You could buy this, then buy a new one in five years, and be far ahead of the game compared to getting a $10k Plasma now.

    Just a thought.
  10. EricHaas

    EricHaas Supporting Actor

    Dec 25, 2001
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    OK, a few more pieces of advice now that I understand a bit more.
    First, you MUST go over to to the avsforum plasma group. You simply cannot shell out this kind of money without thorough research, and that forum is the best place in the world to do it. Bar none. I'd go so far as to say that it is plain stupid to buy a plasma without at least lurking there and running some searches. Start with the FAQ.
    Second, lifespan is a red herring issue for plasmas. The manufacurers rate them between 20,000 and 30,000 hours. This thread contains a detailed discussion of lifespan:
    No one believes that plasmas will lose noticeable brightness in only 3 years. 10 years is probably on the pessimistic side.
    Third, can you actually get the 61MP1 for $10K new in the box with a warranty? Best online price I can find on that display is about $13K. If you can really get it at that price with no strings, you might well consider it. Otherwise, my suggestion is to look at 50" panels. The Pioneer 503cmx is an excellent display with an upgrade slot for future proof against DVI HDCP and can be had for $5500 from Dell right now. If 50" isn't going to cut it for you, and you can't get the 61MP1 for $10K, then I strongly recommend applying your budget to a front projection system.
    Go luck and please do visit AVS.
  11. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

    Sep 30, 2001
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    I allready have a 61" RCA 4:3 NTSC 3 CRT RPTV (Damn that is
    a lot of Alphabet Soup) and to be quite honest the image on
    this NON High Def set STILL impresses me tremendously. The
    set does a great job with my Interlaced Panny DVD Player
    via Component Connections. It has an 800 Line Horiz Rez and
    a 3DYC Digital Comb Filter and displays practicaly everything
    very well.
    But there is no getting around HDTV and it's comming, every
    day High Def broadcasts grow and while I don't have any High
    Def sources right now, I will in the future. I have seen the
    top of the mountain "and it is good".
    My problem with RPTV is two fold. One I need space, my living
    room is only 16.5 L x 13.0 W and the 61" RPTV Occupies alot
    of realestate on the head wall. Secondly I don't like the
    way Widescreen 16:9 RPTV's "look" not picture wise but astethics
    wise.. I can't stand the way they appear... I love the way
    the WideScreen Flat Pannels look (both in image quality and
    asthetics) I know that asthetics shouldn't play a factor in
    the search for better image quality but the truth is that
    they do for me.
    Buying another RPTV is out of the question.
    I most certainly will check out the AVS Fourms and read and
    search and learn. If these things do have longevity issues
    I will be damned if I am going to spend at least 10 grand
    on something that may only last three to five years, to me
    that is assinine. Perhaps if I was a millionaire I wouldn't
    mind blowing 10-15K every 2 years on a flippin TV but at the
    end of the day it is just a TV and I have so many other
    hobbies that consume more money than my Home Theater [​IMG]
    So I will research this and see what conslusions I come to.
    I will go out and Demo any and all Plasma Sets I can. I will
    see if I can "live" with a smaller 50" because they are
    literally half the price.
    As for price.. I said "in the neighborhood" of 10K... I found
    the MP161 new on ebay with warranty for 12K + 395 Shipping
    (which seems a bit MUCH to me.. I could see maybe $200.00
    to ship it.. For pete's sakes it's not like it's a 400 LB
    I will keep ya updated!
  12. Doug_B

    Doug_B Screenwriter

    Feb 11, 2001
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  13. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

    Sep 30, 2001
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    Ahhh I dunno... I checked the seller and he has 2000+
    Positive Feedback all on big ticket electronics goodies..
    He has a "real" store front buisness also.. I would be
    skittish about purchasing from just anyone off ebay and I
    do alot of research if I purchase anything of value from
    there. But primarily that was a price gauge. I am certain
    that set could be had from a strictly AV shop for the same
    ballpark figure.

    Funny how much mark up there is in this stuff though, considering
    M.S.R.P for that model is $28,000.00
  14. Josh Lowe

    Josh Lowe Screenwriter

    Jun 19, 2002
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    what you should look for is me coming over to your house to watch TV..

    as far as a DVD player goes i'd say either go HTPC or go for a Panny RP91 with an SDI port connected to an HTPC running dscaler..
  15. Camp

    Camp Cinematographer

    Dec 3, 1999
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    Totally off topic but why are all your posts oddly justified to the left of the screen? Just curious.
    Good luck on your search for what will no doubt be a sweet display. Can't wait to read what you end up with.
  16. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

    Sep 30, 2001
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    I was actually thinking about the RP91... As far as using
    the PC as a Scaler I dunno.. I need to experiance the interlal
    scaling first hand to see how "Bad" it is.. I guess I am
    not much of a VideoPhile because I never even got my RPTV
    ISF'd [​IMG]
    My eyes might not even see the difference... Who knows...
    I tell ya though, if I read too many horror stories about
    longevity for Plasma I may very well put it on the back
    burner for a few more years (I don't want to! But if these
    things don't last I am not going to throw away money)

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