Godfather - missing subtitles? (spoilers)

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  1. Guy Martin

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    Folks-
    Well normally I'm not picky about subtitles. I really don't care if they're burnt-in or player generated. But last night I was watching Godfather and there was a scene where I could swear the burnt-in subs were gone.
    It's the famous scene where Michael kills Sollozo and McCluskey in the restaurant. Before Mike slips off to the bathroom to retrieve the gun he and Sollozo have a chat in Italian. I'm pretty certain that they were english subtitles for this part both on my old VHS copies and on the theatrical print I saw about four years ago when it played at my college theater. But the DVD has none. And when I switched on the player-generate english subtitles for the movie there are none. Is my memory faulty here? I'm gonna have to dig out my old VHS copy to check I guess. Incidentally I know that there are no subtitles for the brief conversation after Mike comes out of the bathroom. Instead there's just the sound of a nearby train.
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  2. Yohan Pamudji

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    I remember there NOT being subtitles whenever I've seen that scene, both on VHS and when A&E was doing their Godfather marathon.
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    Me agrees with Yohan. Seen it both on TV and VHS and I remember there being no subtitles in that scene.
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  4. Carlo Medina

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    I have always been frustrated that there were no subtitles on that scene. If you've seen a cut that had subtitles for it, I'd love to know where.
     
  5. Ryan Spaight

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    I've seen (pre-97 rerelease) theatrical prints, and there's no subs in that scene.
    It's completely intentional and appropriate, as it makes you feel a bit of Michael's frustration (and impatience with himself) at not speaking Italian very well -- in over his head in a world he was born into but has stayed away from. This only adds to the already overwhelming tension in the scene.
    Brilliant stuff.
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  7. Michael Reuben

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    What Ryan said. Omitting the subtitles also puts you in the same position as McCluskey, which is a bit spooky.
    I saw the film theatrically when it was first released, and I remember being struck by the absence of subtitles in that scene. Afterward I realized how clever it was to omit them.
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  8. Richard Kim

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    Mario Puzo's novel translates Sollozzo's dialogue to Michael into English. I believe he's says something about having great respect for his father, but that he's too old fashioned.
     
  9. Brady B

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    Yes, there were no subtiltles and you are correct. the translation is just that. Solozzo has much respect for his father- but his thinking,(the word "pense") is old fashioned.-Three years of Italian in school
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  10. Marvin

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    What I would really like to have the subtitles for is the song that an elderly man sings at the wedding party (I believe Mama Corleone covers the ears of some of the children during the song). I suspect there won't be subtitles, for some reason (I still haven't received my set - from Amazon).
    Is there anyone out there that speaks Italian that would like to post a translation?
     
  11. Rob Gillespie

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    I saw the first film theatrically on Tuesday night and there were no subs in that sequence.
     
  12. Guy Martin

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    Well I get the bonehead award of the day. I went back and checked my widescreen 25th anniversary VHS edition, and sure enough, no subs. Not satisfied, I dug out my parents truly ancient pan and scan VHS copy from waaay back and guess what? No subs either. Looks like another case of Nic Cage (not) shooting the airbag in the Rock. My bad.
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  13. Sam_K

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    I remember seeing subtitles in that scene... probably in the chronological version of the combined films. I remember the dialogue has something to do with Sollozo showing respect for Michael's father....
     
  14. Michael Reuben

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  15. Yohan Pamudji

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    I always enjoyed trying to figure out what Solozzo was saying in that scene, particularly since he was speaking slowly enough for me to pick out individual words. It's amazing how the combination of speculative translation and attention to hand gestures can help you understand what somebody is saying when you don't even understand the language being spoken.
    Now if only I could figure out what that old man was singing about at the wedding party in Godfather I. [​IMG]
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  16. Carlo Medina

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    Yeah, Chris over at DVD Debate said that there was a TV version in the U.S. with subtitles for that scene. I guess it's easier for a TV station to look like they've screwed up so they put them in.
     
  18. bill lopez

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    The only thing missing from this dvd is quality!
     
  19. Yohan Pamudji

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    Why, if it isn't bill "I'm still pissed these DVD's don't look like my Fifth Element DVD" lopez. Glad to see that you're consistent about your complaining. Thread crapping, anyone?
    Carlo,
    That's EXACTLY what makes me want to know what he's singing about [​IMG] Those hand gestures are, uhm, enlightening.
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  20. bill lopez

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    $75 bucks is $75 bucks!
     

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