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So me and my GF have been talking about getting a surround sound system for the last few weeks, yesterday she decdided to "suprise" me and get a Cinemate II from Best buy... Yaaay....
I didnt even take it out of the box, 634.94 i'm sure i can come up with a better system. ( by I, mind you i mean get help from educated people on forums like this!)
Budget- 650
Would really like a decent/quality 5.1 system for around the same price as she spent for the Bose. i want to prove a point that we could've got a lot better for the same cash, Does anybody have any good systems they can piece together for around $650? Open to any ideas! I'm no audiophile so i'm not going to be too picky, just let getting my moneys worth on a product.
 

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Sub: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-628 $100
Receiver: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR609/Onkyo-TX-NR609-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html $289
Speakers (Left &Right): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290204 x2 $150
Center: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290210 $99
Surrounds: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290200 $99

Total: $738.00


To me - that is a vastly superior system. Sundry cables/wires is about 30 dollars.


If you need smaller speakers, then let me know, but I'd go this route for now. We can cut some money out if $650 is hard, but I think it's worth stretching your budget slightly.
 

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For the front I noticed you reccomended the monitor 50's, from what I've been reading would the pioneer fs52's be a better choice for a little more??
Also anybody else care to chime in, maybe could up the budget to under 800 if it'd mean steeping the equipment up a notch!
 

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I was trying very hard to maintain your budget - so if you're flexible, that helps a lot. If you're up for the Pioneer route, then go with:

Left & Right: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2S4 x2 $250
Center: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_y x1 $99
Surrounds: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_z $129
Sub: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-628 $100

Receiver: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR609/Onkyo-TX-NR609-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html $289

Total: $867


It's important imo to match speakers (at least in the front 3) as inconsistent timbre can wreak havoc on the uniformity of the sound. So - if you're willing to increase budget a tad, then go with the above.
 

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David Upton said:
I was trying very hard to maintain your budget - so if you're flexible, that helps a lot. If you're up for the Pioneer route, then go with:
Left & Right: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2S4http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=hometheaterforum-20&l=ur2&o=1
x2 $250
Center: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_yhttp://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=hometheaterforum-20&l=ur2&o=1
x1 $99
Surrounds: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_zhttp://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=hometheaterforum-20&l=ur2&o=1
$129
Sub: 
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-628
  $100
Receiver: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXNR609/Onkyo-TX-NR609-7.2-Channel-3-D-Ready-Network-A/V-Receiver/1.html $289
Total: $867
It's important imo to match speakers (at least in the front 3) as inconsistent timbre can wreak havoc on the uniformity of the sound. So - if you're willing to increase budget a tad, then go with the above.
Yea i'm flexible on the budget, i dont want to skimp out of $75 or 100 if i can end up with a much nicer system. Also dont want to end up in a month saying damnit i want to upgrade lol! Not dead set on the pioneers but everythnig i've read has given them the edge of the monitor 50's... your thoughts?
 

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David, if i ended up wanting a say 3.1 system ( that's minus the surrounds correct?) Would your reccomendations still be the same? I've been kicking around the idea of changing it to starting with a 2.1 or 3.1 ( with the same starting budget of course) and working my way up to a 5.1. i figure buy the quality stuff now wont have to later. What do you guys think? Budget 5.1 vs nice 2.1 or 3.1?
 

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IMO your budget is too severe even for 2.1, though I must admit Dave has done a fine job with his recommendations (better than I could do).
I would shoot for 2.0 with the intentions of adding to the system as money permits . While the Bose may seem like 2.1 its really only 2.0 as their "bass module" is not a sub woofer, its a modest woofer.
 

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I don't think your budget is too little.
People always forget BIC and the Sony SS series. The BIC DV64/84 are worthy of consideration(and in my opinion, blow the Polk Monitor and the Pioneer AJ out of the water). Even the Sony SSF5000 rings up under $150 pair...and they are more efficient than the Pio AJ.
 

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Sam,
A valid point about the BIC's - but I have found them to be a little bit inconsistent (some cabinet vibration). I am a huge fan of their subs, but as you stated - there is plenty of value to be had at this price point.
Ryan,
Back to your question - yes I would recommend 3.1 to start if you are okay with that. It's going to get you a better system! I actually present this option to friends/family often as it is a better way to get them to stretch towards better gear.
 

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David Upton said:
Sam,
A valid point about the BIC's - but I have found them to be a little bit inconsistent (some cabinet vibration). I am a huge fan of their subs, but as you stated - there is plenty of value to be had at this price point.
Ryan,
Back to your question - yes I would recommend 3.1 to start if you are okay with that. It's going to get you a better system! I actually present this option to friends/family often as it is a better way to get them to stretch towards better gear.
 
David,
Thanks a ton for the replies and help! The recommendation I've been getting from lots of others is in my budget it'd be best to start with a 2.0 system because of my need for a receiver then add a sub later when funds permit, then center. Start off with a good receiver, two nice towers and then later add a klipsche rw-12 when they go on sale for $300 has been a popular rec. What are your thoughts on that?would that be a better option then stretching it to fit a 3.1?
 

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2.0 is fine for now - and certainly ups the quality of gear you can get. I do think that a subwoofer is a really important investment, and would advise to save and spend a little more on that piece if anything. The klipsch sub isn't bad - but I don't consider it a real killer offering either. That's where i'd lean towards BIC or Dayton initially. If you're doing 2.0 - what would your budget be? If still ~700, I would stick with the same receiver, and then buy a pair of used speakers like these (example only - the seller won't ship):
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-onix-rocket-rs-750-signature-ebony-speakers-pair-with-risers-2012-11-04-speakers-61704-bloomington-il
Far better value for your dollar than otherwise :)
Edit: Here's a good example: http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-psb-image-t55-tower-speakers-2012-10-27-speakers-93940-del-rey-oaks-ca
 

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David Upton said:
2.0 is fine for now - and certainly ups the quality of gear you can get. I do think that a subwoofer is a really important investment, and would advise to save and spend a little more on that piece if anything. The klipsch sub isn't bad - but I don't consider it a real killer offering either. That's where i'd lean towards BIC or Dayton initially. If you're doing 2.0 - what would your budget be? If still ~700, I would stick with the same receiver, and then buy a pair of used speakers like these (example only - the seller won't ship):
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-onix-rocket-rs-750-signature-ebony-speakers-pair-with-risers-2012-11-04-speakers-61704-bloomington-il
Far better value for your dollar than otherwise :)
Edit: Here's a good example: http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-psb-image-t55-tower-speakers-2012-10-27-speakers-93940-del-rey-oaks-ca
budget would still be the same, I like the idea of used gear for bang for the buck I just never know what gear to inquire on as I'm not up on the brands/models just yet :).
 

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I'm all for buying used if something pops up, my problem is I don't know what's a good guy and what's not just yet lol
 

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Well, start with giving us a location (just in case something local pops up) - City/State is fine. Then post here and we'll let you know! Classifieds sections on forums like HTF are a great option too!
 

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Even though you'll never find the "other three" speakers to complete a theatre...these are FAB...
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3384282711.html
Will add more as I find 'em...
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3412273348.html (not really cheap enough to not buy a new one...)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/eld/3350048749.html (three things...EV Aries, if they fit your decor. NAD 2150 and the HK 3480)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3411603819.html (all four of these would rock in a HT)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3388197132.html (humina...humina...)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3411100673.html (shouldn't be this cheap)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3375937370.html (pair up with ^^^^)
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/3378916736.html (call this guy IMMEDIATELY...way too good to miss out on)
 

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